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  1. George
  2. MODX
  3. Friday, 07 December 2018
Just wondering after reading relevant posts ...

https://www.yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/montage-w-dell-remote-multi-touch-screen-demo
https://yamahasynth.com/forum/remote-display-of-montage-screen

...whether this is also supported by MODX.
Are the hardware of both machines involved in this chain the same? (resulting in similar support for USB interface and Monitors??)
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The primary consumer for this feature are Yamaha reps and artists who demo the keyboard. Ripping this feature out of MODX would make it more difficult to demo effectively. That said, someone has to test this unsupported feature and report back.
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  2. MODX
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We had it working on MODX also. My feeling is that the touch response is a bit slower than using it with MONTAGE. But it worked over a few days without any problems. We used the "Plugable USB 2.0 to VGA … Adapter" and the Dell S2240T.

Despite that allow me to remind that it is not an official supported feature. Everyone can use it on his own risk but may lose warranty if something unexpected might happen.
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Ι would use it mainly to familiarize myself with the modx interface. Simply more convenient from the small screen and strictly for studio use.

Are you aware of any Dell S2240T compatible screen (dell, or whatever)?

The specific MODEL seems to be discontinued (...at least here in Greece...)
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Are you aware of any Dell S2240T compatible screen (dell, or whatever)?


Unfortunately no. We just have this one unit and that is the only experience.
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Anyone using the MODX this way?

Would be nice to find a connection and monitor.
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Some useful feedback on the subject, after practically researching it.


  1. The "Plugable USB 2.0 to VGA … Adapter" works perfectly and the display on any monitor (i've tested 2) was fine.


  1. The main problem is to find a compatible monitor. I've tested next Dell's monitor Dell P2418HT, with no touch response. Quite obvious because the touch is through a USB3 port of the monitor, something MODX doesn't support. I've also tested an LG old one ( 19mb15t-i model ), which although it has an USB2 port, doesn't responded to touch. In fact that monitor cannot connect as a second (touch) monitor even with a laptop.


Fortunately i was able to return both (it's a long and funny story), so avoid them if you're in general interested in the subject.

My summary is that it would be quite difficult to do it, if you cannot (as me) find a Dell S2240T (discontinued). All new touch screen monitors are USB3 port equipped for the touch connection....
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  2. MODX
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If you look at other forums which discuss GenOS - you can see that contacting customer support has revealed some nice support in terms of which USB-to-video interfaces are supported (and why). You'll also find hints at what makes the monitor touch compatible - although not from what I would deem as an official source. GenOS doesn't support the touch part at all - so they have no concern to follow-up with that. However, it seems that getting the right support help employee would yield some useful information on what other monitors may support touch. I have a few candidates I think would probably work beyond the Dell. One's from Planar and still available (they hardly ever retire monitors). I'm looking primarily for the touch protocol (egalax) and also, for grins, looking that it supports HID touchscreen as well. The screen is a published resolution - and some smaller panels do not support the full resolution - so I avoid those. The larger monitors support much higher resolutions - so this is not an issue.

With a Dell S2240T and some time I could probably create a device which translates Android or Windows screen touches to MODX screen touches and the screen can be displayed on Windows or most Android devices fairly easily using a different cable also mentioned in the GenOS forums (presents MODX video as a USB webcam on another device). I don't think there's enough critical mass to spend the time to do this as a kickstarter/similar project. I think Yamaha recognizes the value of an external screen (maybe external touchscreen too) - so I wouldn't want to work on something already in the dev. pipeline of the future firmware.
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  2. MODX
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So is there a way to get this working on new monitors? Ones that don't have a VGA input...?
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  2. MODX
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Video connector is not really an issue. Most monitor connector standards today will convert between each (vga to hdmi etc). The USB-to-Video (VGA or HDMI) devices themselves come with a bag full of conversion connectors typically. Most of the converters do not have VGA connectors - many are HDMI out with connectors to convert to various other standards.

The primary "issue" with an external monitor is touch capabilities. There is a very narrow set of requirements for this to work - and most touch monitors are not compatible. So much so that only one out-of-production monitor is the only one positively identified to work (video + touch).

Just about any monitor will work for video only assuming you have a compatible USB-to-Video converter. There are not many of these USB-to-video devices that will work either. It has to have a certain chipset. The ones that work have been documented - there are a handful. Feedback from the GenOS support team has been most complete in painting this picture. Given the parallels here (for video only) - it's safe to assume the list/direction given for GenOS video can be lifted and applied to Montage/MODX.
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The ones that work have been documented - there are a handful. Feedback from the GenOS support team has been most complete in painting this picture. Given the parallels here (for video only) - it's safe to assume the list/direction given for GenOS video can be lifted and applied to Montage/MODX.


Where do I find this list...?
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  2. MODX
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Source: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42350.msg334349.html#msg334349
This is what I got from Yamaha Scandinavia about extern display on Genos.

As you may be aware, video-out connectivity is not part of the Genos specification. The built-in USB-to-host socket facilitates a “Yamaha Internal Factory Function” in order to show the screen on an external display. This requires usage of certain USB-to-video adapters using a DisplayLink chipset of DL-1x5 series (e.g. Displaylink DL-165, DL-195 or Diamond Multimedia BVU-165, BVU-195) in order for Yamaha to utilise this in presentations, and specific demos.
Availability of these adaptors varies country by country, and of course Yamaha cannot give any guarantees as to their function.
USB-to-video is not mentioned on the website, brochure, owner’s manual or any other documentation and it is not regarded as an official specification.


and

Source: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php?topic=43506.0
The Startech USB2VGAPRO2 is based on DisplayLink DL-195 display chipset, and so it works fine with Genos. However, it only has VGA output, and the price is kind of high.

My preferred one is the DisplayLink DL-165 chipset based Plugable USB 2.0 to VGA/DVI/HDMI display adapter, with DVI output, comes with VGA and HDMI output adapters, and much cheaper:
https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Graphics-Multiple-1920x1080-Chromebook/dp/B004AIJE9G/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1520522666&sr=8-4&keywords=plugable usb to vga dvi hdmi


Source: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,41742.msg328532.html#msg328532
To be able to read the score on an external monitor i bought me a 'I-TEC DISPLAY ADPTER TRIO'.
This can adapt USB to VGA, HDMI or DVI. It uses the DL-195 chipset and is compatible with Yamaha Genos.
...
So on another forum somebody uses a 'I-TEC USB2VGA' adapter (DL-165), and for him the screen is even better than with the Tyros serie.


Source: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42004.msg331084.html#msg331084
for which I use a Delock adapter.
http://www.delock.de/produkte/G_61787/merkmale.html?setLanguage=en


... this is based off the more recent Genos threads. If you look at the Montage threads (where this "started" ) - one can find both DL-195 (Startech USB2VGAPRO2) and DL-165 chipset adapters that have been verified to work.
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  2. MODX
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Everybody see Yamaha's display of the MODX at NAMM 2019...?

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  2. MODX
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This screen is not "interesting" because it's used for display only. You can display Montage/MODX on just about any screen assuming you have the proper displaylink interface. The part that is more difficult to get the stars aligned on is the touch interface which, thus far, only has a single monitor identified as working. My 55" TV set can display the screen with a proper USB to video converter. Just about any TV/monitor will do for display only.
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  2. MODX
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No more neck pain with MODX !

Hello MODX Users:

I just purchased StarTech USB2VGAPRO2 adapter for my Yamaha MODX8, and it is working properly with the Yamaha MODX8 and also with the Yamaha Genos, even with an external large LCD TV.
https://www.startech.com/AV/display-and-video-adapters/USB-Video-Adapters/USB-VGA-Adapter-External-Video-Card-PC-Mac~USB2VGAPRO2

It is important to follow these steps > because recognition takes place during the boot-up process
1. Connect POWERED USB 2.0 Hub to MODX > USB to Device,
2 Then connect StarTech USB2VGAPRO2 Adapter to the POWERED USB 2.0 Hub
3. Connwect External LCD Screen VGA (D-Sub) to StarTech Adapter
3. Power up the external display (Monitor or LCD TV with VGA D-Sub input)
4. Power Up MODX first you see a green screen, then a few seconds later you will see MODX Touch Screen
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Hi All,

No more Eye-Strain with MODX !

I have just tested my old Dell E2014T Touch Screen monitor (with USB 2.0 Upstream port), and its touch Screen works perfectly with my MODX8

I am using >
1..purchased CronusMax USB 2.0 Extension Cable with Power/Data ON/OFF switch (cronusmax.com),
connected this to MODX8 USB to Device port.
2. Powered USB 2.0 Hub with 2-4 ports (you need powered USB 2.0 Hub see explanation below)
(connecting to the cronusMAX Switch).
3. USB 2.0 Hub connected to this switch,:This way I can switch off the USB 2.0 Hub (andl also the StarTechTech Adapter)
when the external display is not needed and this way the StarTech Adapter is not draining power from the MODX8.
4. StarTech USB2VGAPRO2 Adapter also connected to my non-powered USB 2.0 Hub > Chipset ID Display Link - DL-195
5. Dell E2014T Touch Screen monitor (VGA (D-Sub) connected to StarTech Adapter
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The trick is >
you MUST use the MODX Hot Key Combination (MODX Manual Page 52) to activate the touch screen calibration routine on the Dell E2014T Monitor.
That operation will appear on your Dell and you MUST touch the 5 white squares to activate the touch screen function.
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Also very important that frirst power on the Dell Monitor, and second the MODX, because the external monitor recognition process takes place during the MODX booUp process.
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You can see my setup here >

https://youtu.be/VAt3_nVjaU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAt3_nVjaU0
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MODX works with Adapters having > Chipset ID DisplayLink - DL-195

and also with these, see below:

i-TEC USB2HDTRIO adapter - I also was able to get it working with my Yamaha MODX
its Chipset ID > DisplayLink-DL-165
Wavlink USB 2.0 to VGA/DVI/HDMI Video Graphic Adapter (Chipset ID > DisplayLink-DL-165)
https://www.amazon.com/Wavlink-Graphics-Display-Multiple-Monitors/dp/B01AL6IBF8
is also working with MODX as can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s_GQAqPY_E
They used:
The LCD brand is GreenHouse (GH-LCT22C-BK). The connection method with MONTAGE is the USB 2.0 to Device terminal. USB 2.0 HUB is connected and the USB-VGA adapter (Wavlink USB 2.0 VGA / DVI / HDMI multi display adapter) and the USB cable for touch detection of the LCD are connected.
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StarTech USB2VGAPRO2 adapter > Chipset ID DisplayLink - DL-195
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Why POWERED USB 2.0 HUB is needed >

The VGA adapter consumes a lot of power, so if you connect it directly to the USB (Device) of MODX, it may break down, please make sure to pass through a USB hub that can supply power from the outside)

source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s_GQAqPY_E)

Read this ANSWER below in the response to Henrik Fugmann >

Connect external touch screen LCD to YAMAHA MONTAGE/MODX, operation test.
Attention! (ATTENTION): External touch screen LCD connection is outside of manufacturer's warranty. We and YAMAHA are not responsible even if MONTAGE/MODX or connected equipment malfunction like this. The USB VGA adapter can be displayed with VGA connection, DVI connection or HDMI connection. If you have a product with DisplayLink's DL - 195 chip, it is highly likely to work. (The VGA adapter consumes a lot of power, so if you connect it directly to the USB (Device) of MONTAGE/MODX, it may break down, please make sure to pass through a USB hub that can supply power from the outside) MONTAGE/MODX USB (Device) terminal is USB flash Because we assume storage, the power we can supply is small. You need to use a self-powered USB hub that comes with a large output AC adapter. Also, it is necessary to turn on the power of the USB hub and the power of the external LCD before turning on MONTAGE/MODX.
1) When touching the external touch screen LCD, the touch screen of the main unit can not be used. Also, the backlight of the main unit LCD lights, but there is no indication. (Black screen)
2) When there is no touch function (or USB for touch detection is not connected) When the external LCD is connected, it is possible to display the clone of the built-in LCD on the external LCD and use the touch screen LCD of the main unit I can do it. Advantages of using the external LCD are (1) to be able to operate even if the main body LCD is difficult to operate depending on the installation location of the main unit even if it is separated from the main unit by using a monitor arm etc, (2) MONTAGE/MODX Is it possible to operate with a capacitive touch screen that is more durable than a touch screen?
INFO >
The LCD brand is GreenHouse (GH-LCT22C-BK).
The connection method with MONTAGE/MODX is the USB 2.0 to Device terminal. USB 2.0 HUB is connected and the USB-VGA adapter (Wavlink USB 2.0 VGA / DVI / HDMI multi display adapter) and the USB cable for touch detection of the LCD are connected.

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I also tested ASUS VT168N monitor and that DOES NOT WORK !!!

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MODX8 Touch Screen Calbration on Dell E1420T Monitor.jpg
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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Janos, Thanks for posting!
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  2. MODX
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Got to love a good treasure hunt. I assume you mean E2014T (which I can find as a touchscreen) and not E1420T.
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  2. MODX
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Hi Jason,

Yes it is DELL E2014T, i purchased that, in about 2015, and works perfectly with my MOD(8 with all its touch functionalkity.
It is a 19.5 " large screen monitor. with IR Optical Touch screen
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To me it seems that only 3 Monitors work with touch functionaliity with MODX,
the first is DELL S2240T, and the second is mine, the DELL E2014T. and GreenHouse (GH-LCT22C-BK).
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Regards
PS.
I still does not understand Yamaha, why they are putting a minuscule, hand-sized screen on their flagships MONTAGE and MODX.
It is totally unacceptable having such a small screen on the MONTAGE/MODX.
We are in 2019 now and large-size touch-screens are widely available, even Yamaha can make a large external Touch Screen, then we will buy it..
I was suffering for two years also with my Yamaha GENOS video output issue.
Can be read here >
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,46341.0.html

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Hi All,

My Yamaha GENOS screen adventure can be read here >

DIY External TV Display for GENOS - VIDEO working GET Firmware update 1.40

Please copy the whole link into your browser >
http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,46341.0.html
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  2. MODX
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Hi All,

USB 3.0 upstream will not work !
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