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  4. Monday, 23 August 2021
... just refreshing every ten seconds to grab that promised 592 button chart.

:D :D :D :D
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I thought it was me, doing the same in hope of seeing the missing files from the "Mastering MODX" series.
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You see...?
I was right...

Don't waste time downloading anything: everything is in the internet, they said.

For how long? , said I while keeping the downloads at full steam.
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... just refreshing every ten seconds to grab that promised 592 button chart.

:D :D :D :D
I’m not going to do a graphic with 592 Knobs on it, for the same reason we didn’t build a synth with 592 Knobs on it. And if you think that such a thing would be ideal, you need to spend your time understanding the real point being made…

Instead, spend you time learning how to setup your Performances so they service you and what you need to accomplish. If you keep turning a Knob and it is not doing what you think it should be doing — the instrument is likely not broken — it is more likely you are either completely unaware of what that Knob is doing *right now*, or you’ve setup with a routing error.

And if your goal is to tell those folks a Yamaha they should build less complex stuff (we do, please visit you local music store, we make plenty of less complex stuff). If you find the MONTAGE challenging - don’t fret, it is a deep keyboard. Very deep. Complexity does not necessarily affect sales adversely… when it hit the market, there were very few synthesizers more complex than the DX7… Did complexity hurt sales? I really don’t think so (in fact it makes me shutter to think Yamaha could have sold more)… but I don’t think it impacts sales as much as one might think.

I talk with many users for which this is a major stumbling block. Here’s how the phone conversation goes:

“I’m turning Knob #1, how come ….” fill in their expectation…
Point is, telling someone you are turning Knob #1 without talking about the front panel status, is not going to tell anyone what you’re doing… do you get that point? Well, that’s the only point.

To master it you must begin to see the front panel differently. Admit to yourself, that perhaps the lighting scheme is really not clear to you, yet. Take the time…get that down.

[PERFORMANCE CONTROL] versus [PART CONTROL] how does this impact your front panel?
Common versus Part?

When recording to the internal sequencer many users (who are front panel challenged) miss the fact the Knob functions are available even if not showing in the screen. I was talking with a (longtime) MONTAGE owner, who didn’t completely grok that the front panel is accessible during recording and that control movements are recorded into the sequencer — for whatever reason this person thought you were locked out (as I discovered, because they couldn’t switch to a particular screen they thought they had to be looking at)…

And of course, they read it on some internet site (for another product), that you couldn’t do this or you couldn’t do that on the Yamaha…. When actually, when you are in record, you can access any parameter that is assigned to a control (what you can’t do while recording to the sequencer is make a new assignment). The difference is huge… if I know I want to record myself performing a particular parameter change, I should have already assigned those parameters that I wish to document into my MIDI Track. (If you created a “whammy bar” for your guitar, you can record yourself performing on it…. What you cannot do is drill a hole and add one while you’re in record).

Start with learning what the real purpose of the Super Knob is… this will take you through how and ultimately why certain things get assigned there. It is precisely why a 592 Knob front panel would be ridiculous to look at… and even more ridiculous to operate. By assigning a Part’s parameter to an Assign Knob means you must directly *select* that Part in order to operate that Knob… typically, not a problem on synths where you routinely play one sound… but on MONTAGE with its Multi Part architecture, if I’m layering an Electric Piano with a Synth Pad, if a Part Assign Knob is set to control an effect parameter on the E.Piano, having to *select* that Part before I can adjust the effect is not optimal

But by then linking that Part’s Assign Knob to a Common Assign Knob means I can have access to that parameter control from the HOME screen (I no longer have to *select* it… If I then link that Common Assign Knob to the Super Knob this means I have access to that parameter at all times. No special light need be lit, no particular Part need be *selected*, no particular screen needs be recalled.

The Super Knob and the Common Assign Knobs are your multi-channeled, multi-Part, scaleable controllers… next chart would be: just how many things can you actually change with one move of the Super Knob. I’m more interested in triggering the mental charts in end user’s heads so they can get the most out of the technology… than coming up with a spec for spec’s sakes.

As to broken links and lost downloads:
If you find a broken link, you can post a notification in the Site Feedback forum, those responsible for archiving and moving/replacing the download content will ultimately get to it. Obviously with all of the additional international content (Tech Talk Live, etc.) archiving is going through some kind of growing pains. Please be patient.
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Please be patient.

It's not possible to ask this from a new MODX owner who's eager to push the pedal to the metal. :D

Seriously now, isn't it possible to just upload those patches until the site is fixed (which is a very credible "never" if we were to consider past experiences...)
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:D :D :D :D

I understand you so well that when I play my synth it turns out only 88 keys and 4 pedals are used. Orchestration, keyboard ranges, velocity, timing, delays, aftertouch, effects...all come into scene precisely as planned. Just music. As a composer. As a conductor. As THE player. Truly funny a thing. Outstanding. No wheel, slider, knob or button are touched whatsoever while playing. Everything thoroughly planned in advance and nothing overlooked till fully satisfied. And I deeply am.

:D :D :D :D
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I'm reasonably sure Jason has most of this mentally mapped, and might have even done some kind of super spreadsheet cheatsheat for his own purposes with regards studying CC and Sysex messages.

Jason is a bit of a treasure trove
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As to broken links and lost downloads:
If you find a broken link, you can post a notification in the Site Feedback forum, those responsible for archiving and moving/replacing the download content will ultimately get to it. Obviously with all of the additional international content (Tech Talk Live, etc.) archiving is going through some kind of growing pains. Please be patient.

I made a post in the Site Feedback section regarding all the broken links I found while basically trying to do the startup learning of my MODX.
Hopefully the webmaster will be able to put the same effort in fixing this that I put in just documenting it.
https://www.yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/all-the-downloads-in-the-mastering-modx-article-series-are-missing
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Start with learning what the real purpose of the Super Knob is…


Could you start with an explanation of what the Super Knob is?

Not a description of what it does, or can do, or represents.

Just an explanation.
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If I can be of any help, it is an outstanding idea from Yamaha, and a clever and easy way to change many things simultaneously via the simple rotation of a knob (the Super Knob) or by moving a pedal. Parameters being affected can be varied even opposite ways (volume up for viola, down for harpsichord)...
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I don't have a cheat sheet for the knobs. Since superknob was discussed here - outside of the tutorial available - it may help to supplement with a visual I generated in this thread:

https://www.yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/how-can-i-delete-the-superknob-and-keep-a-certain-soundsetting

The visual doesn't try to add the layer of superknob automation which just says you can make the value of the superknob vary over time automatically according to your programming. The focus was more about, ignoring control of superknob itself, how superknob is linked (or not) to objects downstream.

BTW: for the purposes of just gaining an appreciation for the higher-level of knowledge for Knobs [1]-[8] - "592" is sort of a grain of sand number. It'd probably be less intimidating and just as helpful to think of this as 74 sets of 8 knobs. And lots of times we're dealing with the knobs having a related function but one set for each Part. A helpful chart would not actually have all the knobs shown. But certainly all of the modes and all of the indicators for those modes. The kind of thing where you'd maybe just show Part 1 in full (for one given mode) then show boxes behind this set and indicate those other boxes are to represent Parts 2-16.

Although usually I advocate using the tools to figure out how the system works for yourself - in this case I thought a visual may be a good idea. I didn't realize the offer to generate a visual for Knobs [1]-[8] was sarcastic. I may draw up something and someone else can make it pretty if they don't like my "design". I'm not too invested in the aesthetics as is evidenced by anything I've shared in the past. I usually just open up MS paint and hack up something.
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Lovely...
Being sarcastic or not, either for you or for me, I shall keep refreshing...
Thanks very much for your good teaching...!!!!
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