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  1. Stuart
  2. MODX Series Synthesizers
  3. Thursday, 29 April 2021
How's it going? Reddit directed me this way, so I hope someone can help. I've been building an FX chain in Propellerheads Reason for a neuro bass and I want to use a patch I've created on the MODX as my input into that FX chain. I'm using the MODX as my interface, so the routing goes:

MODX>Reason audio track> FXchain>MODX>Output

I have the audio track routed into the FX within reason, but it does nothing to the sound. All it does is play the unaltered patch as it would sound coming from the MODX. When I record audio from the board and run that through the chain though, all the effects work fine. It's really slowing down my work flow though having to record, decide I don't like it, adjust parameters on the patch, record etc.

I could try Setting up a midi module in Reason and playing the board from that input. Then, send the audio from there back into an audio track in reason. But, I don't think that'd make the difference here and anyone who works in Reason regularly will know just what a headache it is to output the External Midi Device modules to audio.

All help welcome, this has been bugging me for way longer than I'm alright with. Thanks in advance
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Bad Mister
Yamaha
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Hi Stuart,
Welcome to YamahaSynth!

Your MODX has 10 Audio Outputs via USB. You need to tells us which of the Outputs you are Routing to the Audio Track.
MainL/R, USB1/2, USB3/4, USB 5/6, USB 7/8?

On you MODX
Press [UTILITY] > “Settings” > “Audio I/O” > set Direct Monitor = OFF
https://yamahasynth.com/images/MODX_AudioRec_on_DAW_Part_1/2_Linein.png
This will prevent the MODX from sending audio directly to the speakers.
This should solve your issue— IF IT DOES NOT THEN: you need to verify the rest of the Routing within your DAW.

WHY:
The MODX as audio interface had two pathways to deliver audio to your speakers (Analog Out). One goes directly there. The other goes via USB to your DAW, returns after processing, to the MODX via USB, then to the Analog Outputs.

Study the Audio Signal Flow diagram.
When you turn Direct Monitor ON and OFF notice the change in signal flow.

When On, both pathways are active
When Off, only the USB route, the one that goes through your DAW, is available.
https://yamahasynth.com/images/MODX_AudioRec_on_DAW_Part_1/13_MODXSigFlow.png
If you are not hearing anything when set DIRECT MONITOR = OFF, the issue is within the DAW

Let us know.
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Woah, I'm actually on with the Bad Mister. What's up bro? You're an absolute Legend. Yeah, It appears to be a problem with my routing in the DAW. While I've got you here, I just wanted to ask you something. Are there any resources you can recommend for in-depth learning of the MODX? I love this synth man, It's complexity and flexibility were the main reason I bought the thing. But, the Reference Manual is so dense. It's just not practical to have as PDF to look through and I'd prefer not to have to get the thing printed and bound, although right now that's looking like my best option. So far, most of everything I know about it has come from screen grabs of this forum, or just guys on Youtube explaining things about it and it's honestly very hit and miss. This site, for whatever reason doesn't load up right for me when I'm using a VPN, hence the late reply. Thanks again for the speedy reply, mad respect for the job you do educating the masses here.
Bad Mister
Yamaha
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Are there any resources you can recommend for in-depth learning of the MODX?
This website (YamahaSynth.com) Articles, Tech Talks, Videos, Forum...
The Music Production Guides are a very valuable resource:
LINK: http://www.musicproductionguide.eu/mpghistory/history_en.htm#2020

Careful with random, well meaning folks, and their online videos... I’ve watched a few that were just not correct information. (Drives me crazy sometimes). For example, don’t have a favorite method, try to learn multiple ways to do things - then apply the best one for the task.

If you only learn to use Pattern record, for example, and never explore MIDI Song, you ultimately are doing yourself a disservice.
And vice versa.

But, the Reference Manual is so dense. It's just not practical to have as PDF to look through and I'd prefer not to have to get the thing printed and bound, although right now that's looking like my best option. So far, most of everything I know about it has come from screen grabs of this forum, or just guys on Youtube explaining things about it and it's honestly very hit and miss.
A couple of thoughts here on the Reference Manual: You are correct, it is dense and rightfully so... here are some tips on how to make the best use of the documentation.

You don’t have to print it out... it is actually more valuable as a pdf. Keep both the latest Reference Manual and the most recent Supplementary Manual (rather than reprinting the entire Reference Manual with each update - a Supplementary Manual is released with each major update.
Keep these nearby, either on a tablet or computer. For the cross-referencing and you can search a Key Word, these will be invaluable.

They are Reference Manuals - which means you should not read them like a novel. They do not help that much doing that. Use them to “look-up” items when necessary.
The Owner’s Manual should be read - it is the one that gives the theory of operation (it is printed).
The Reference and Supplementary define what each parameter does... and should be PDFs

If you wanted to learn about a car or an airplane’s dash board. The Reference Manual would dutifully define each control left to right, but not really help you learn to drive or fly.
The Owner’s Manual contains Quick Guides which will, step-by-step, take you through a routine... and is why it is printed... you should do each of these Quick Guides at some point, to get a feel for workflow (you don’t get that from the Reference Manual or Supplementary Manual - you simply get the definitions).

Bad Mister Tip: separate your learning sessions from your creative sessions. In other words, when trying to learn the Pattern Sequencer... don’t split your brain trying to both write a new song while learning the process of recording/overdubbing/editing. Rather concentrate on the process — this will be helpful because it will allow you to proceed with *learning*. You don’t learn to drive by getting behind the wheel of a car and driving cross country. You practice the processes first.... left turns, right turns, reverse, etc.

If you are recording a Pattern don’t interrupt learning the process with stopping to mull over the selection of each sound. Rather concentrate on the process. Pick three or four instruments in a Performance and just work on the process... drums, bass, keys, period.

Later when you are familiar with the process - then get into making “production decisions” — learn to separate *learning* from creating. Once you learn the routines, then you can apply them creatively, and even design your own unique workflow.

This is the biggest mistake I see when asked the best way to master any topic. This and *trying to work the way you always used to work*.

Try to be open enough to recognize that when something provides a new set of features, it may not fit neatly into how you *used to work*.
Learn to work the new item, then make the appropriate adjustments to *include* the new item into your world.

You see many folks struggling with MIDI Channel reassignment... (or the lack of it).... even though they never have worked with recording a multiple MIDI channel program, never having morphed between multiple Parts across multiple channels, never having even attempted to see what possibilities this brings to the creative table.

If you have always manipulated controllers with CC messages in your sequencer, and that is what you want to force the synth to do (and you can), you may never discover that the multiple PARTs of this engine allow for a different approach. When you layer 4 Parts on a single Channel (traditional old style) for example, and you wish to manipulate the Cutoff Frequency... cc74 right? All the filters do the same thing... when these four Parts are separately addressed by the Super Knob/AssignKnob control matrix, you can address each of the active filters, individually. A remarkable sonic difference.... you can be opening the filter a little on the bass, while opening it a lot on the Rhodes and closing it slightly on the cellos and contrabasses, while doing a very gradual change on the violas and violins, and so on...

If all you have is a hammer, every problem starts looking like a nail - and you may never discover a whole new world of control possibilities.

Most of all take your time and have fun. If you are not having FUN, you are doing it wrong...
Here’s why I feel separating learning from creating is important... if you totally mess up on things during a learning session, there is no anxiety about how you lost some genius composition... I record a blues (I got a million of them) I learn the button-pushing processes on a blues. When I am comfortable with the process, only then do I attempt to get more creative.

I mess up on the blues, no problem, no cry...
If I was trying to learn how it all works in the middle of a “work for hire” or a serious composing session, then the anxiety, frustration, and the “I want to throw the thing out the window-syndrome” will be in full effect. Avoid this scenario!

Hope that helps!

This site, for whatever reason doesn't load up right for me when I'm using a VPN, hence the late reply
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You absolute badass. Thanks a million, you actually don't know just how useful that answer is.

Thanks man
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