Posted by: AnotherScott

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Or they could have just maintained the old layout, which leaves all category options AND 16 sounds visible on the screen at the same time for instant one-tap access, instead of sliding different sections in and out. Quicker navigation, which also never risks leaving you disoriented about how your list is currently filtered.

I do see that the new approach is aesthetically nicer, easier to read, but I'd still like the option to see the old layout. If I can see 16, I am almost always seeing everything I need to see in a category, available for instant selection. With 8, I will more often need to scroll. 

 

Well I'll comment on if it's worse, it is. 😉 It used to be a tap. Now it's a tap plus a knob turn. Is there some advantage to having the extra step? Also, it's less obvious. Without reading the manual, someone could take a good guess that hitting "Favorite" would set something as a Favorite. It is far less likely that someone will guess that hitting "Job" is the route to take to set something as a Favorite. (Does hitting "Job" do anything else on this screen? Or merely reveal the otherwise hidden Favorite button? If the latter, even just renaming the Job button to Favorite would have been an improvement.)

I like the look of the new search screen, but I agree that it would be good if they could have maintained the old layout. I'm sure it would be extra programming & cost; However it would be nice if they could provide a switch to "Classic View" on various screens, like Category Search & Performance, etc. Give people the ability to toggle between the old and the new. That would bring back the 16 Performance view & the one touch Favorite square. Also for those who are in a Performance (Home), they would be able to see the colours from the MODX(+). For those who have difficulty with colours & contrast, it would allow them to see the volume sliders and led lights for volume more easily like on the MODX(+) 😉 

Very cool, looks like a drop-in replacement for my seven-year old MODX8.

I do have a question, I played it today at GC, and while I did see one patch called “Imperial” I did not find any of the other ‘Imperial’ library patches. Can somebody confirm whether or not the entire Imperial library is onboard, or is a still a separate download?

Thanks.

Not sure which 'Imperial' library you are referring to. There is only one performance with 'Imperial' in the name shown in the data list. But the Modx and Modx M can load Montage library files. Of you are talking about the Bosendorfer 290 Imperial Yamaha offers a library for free here: https://shop.usa.yamaha.com/en/p/bosendorfer-piano-montage

Can the assignable foot switch be assigned to 'Tap Tempo'?

Posted by: Toby

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Not sure which 'Imperial' library you are referring to. There is only one performance with 'Imperial' in the name shown in the data list. But the Modx and Modx M can load Montage library files. Of you are talking about the Bosendorfer 290 Imperial Yamaha offers a library for free here: https://shop.usa.yamaha.com/en/p/bosendorfer-piano-montage

Yes, that one. There was one particular patch I liked and used "Imperial DigiPad". So the library remains a separate download? The 'Imperial' piano patch on MODX-M does not indicate that library is now part of the onboard ROM?

Hi, yes  Menno You can assign tap tempo to the foot switch on MODX M

Tx/Rx->Transmit Sw screen shows a PAT switch in the ON position. Curious - I didnt think the Modx M had PAT.

See p.230 of the op doc. Page 256 of the data list shows two X's for Key's and Sh's After Touch in the 'Transmitted' column. If true that would mean that neither CAT nor PAT are transmitted. Can anyone clear that up? I assume both are doc errors. 

How similar is the keyboard of the new MODX M6 to that of the CK61 or the Montage M6? Is it slightly better than the CK61?

Hi, Ck61 is FSB initial touch, MODX M6 and 7 are FSB semi weighted keyboard better, not the same and not the same than the Montage M6.

Expanding on the previous comment... "initial touch" is Yamaha's term for velocity-sensitive keys. So in that sense, both the CK61 and MODX M6 have initial touch keyboards. But yeah, the difference appears to be that the MODX M version is semi-weighted (the implication of all of this is that the version of the FSB in the CK61 is unweighted).

My thoughts.

First, has anyone ever played a DX7? For a synth keyboard I think that keyboard has the best feel compared to anything else I've ever played. It's really frustrating when they try and "simulate" real weighted keys when that's not we were buying. There are no weighted keys on a B3. This new M key bed feels an awful lot like my Alesis synth. My original MODX feels better.

The layout of the new screen looks like Yamaha had one guy designing it and he made all the decisions. I'm a software engineer and the worst thing you can do when it comes to a GUI is let one person decide. I have always strived for "design by committee". I think, had they done that, we'd have a much better interface. I was completely surprised by the Category search screen. What a really dumb decision to lay it out like that.

My big frustration today was not having a way to solo an element. This is really baffling me as from what I understand it's the same on the Montage M? Not sure as I don't have one. But it's surprising that the designer decided to remove that functionality. Why? Because he didn't need it? I think a committee would have voted otherwise. 

I read that Meles doesn't or can't support Live Sets on the M. Again, why? Did Yamaha change something so that his software broke? Do they not want us to use his software anymore? Is Yamaha coming out with a Live Set editor? 

Anyway, I just got my M7 and still messing around with it. We'll see what else I can complain about.

Fred

ESP has mute/solo buttons on elements - so maybe it's easier for now to use ESP to do sound design because it probably has better cut/paste features and extended functionality beyond the instrument's native "hardware" GUI.   I'm assuming MODXM users can get the latest ESP but I'm not certain watching from the sidelines.

It's great that 128 elements are available but the on-board GUI does seem to be lacking, in the usability department, in terms of how to best manage these resources. 

Every generation Yamaha stirs the pot and doesn't necessarily keep things that were working well in the past.  This creates a bit of a mixed bag of hit-and-miss viewed somewhat differently depending on individual preferences.

This element mute thing seems like low hanging fruit to get addressed in a future firmware update if there isn't already some secret [SHIFT] or hold or other secret combination to make it happen.  As suggested elsewhere - Ideascale is a good resource to put the request in front of the R&D team who feeds the engineers each idea on a weekly basis.  

BTW: there's nothing preventing anyone from creating a live set editor.  This gen has at least the same programatic access to Live Set as last gen.  Pure speculation - I have to think part of the calculation of Melas has been to not step on the toes of ESP.   You see Melas is adding the M series (Montage M, MODX M - they share the same format) support for the Waveform editor.  This was done last month.  So, in a trailing way, he seems to be updating the tools.  And there may have been some delay just to wait on announce of MODXM before doing a more full-blown update.   Who knows.  Well, except for Melas.

Thanks Jason. That goes a long way to bolster my hope. 

What is ESP? I'm assuming it's a software product? Where do we get it?

Do you have the link for Ideascale? 

Thanks again,

Fred