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Hi All,

I have a MODX8+, M-Audio Keystation88 mk3, and use Studio One for my DAW. Can someone tell me how I could (or if) play one of the performances/sounds of the MODX on the Keystation while playing a different sound/performance on the MODX?  

For example I could have one track in S1 using the Mk3 and the modx as the instrument but how do I them also use the modx as its instrument on a different performance?  is it a midi channel thing or something?  thanks in advance! 


 
Posted : 24/01/2025 6:13 pm
Jason
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Turn keyboard control off for the Part(s) you want controlled by the keystation and keyboard control on for the Part(s) you want to control with MODX+'s keybed.  MIDI channels come into play when you need the keystation to target the right Part(s) on MODX+.

 

That's not an all inclusive guide.


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Posted : 27/01/2025 6:41 pm
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Add your MODX8+ as a new MIDI device if you haven't already. Make sure to select the correct MIDI input and output ports.


 
Posted : 21/02/2025 8:30 am
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hmmm..Thanks for the responses. they are thought provoking. Let's see If I've got the general idea:

1) in the DAW I have the MODX as a keyboard and an instrument. This allows me to go to that track and pick a sound from the Modx performances to play.  

2) I can also play that same performance from the MK3 using the MODX "Instrument"

3) How do I play a different performance on the MK3 using the MODX instrument/engine- e.g. and organ - while simultaneously being able to play a different performance - e.g. Classical piano - on the modx? I;m not sure I get how to play one track without Local control and one with local control at the same time?

thanks


 
Posted : 25/02/2025 6:29 pm
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This can be done by setting up separate MIDI channels for each source. In MODX, go to Performance → Part Settings → MIDI I/O, and set each Part to a different MIDI channel. Then in Studio One, assign the Keystation88 mk3 to play on MIDI channel 2 (or the channel you choose for that Part), and the MODX keyboard to play on the default channel (usually 1). This will allow you to control two different sounds/performances at the same time.

 


 
Posted : 09/08/2025 7:42 am
Joel
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Posted by: mhsmith451@gmail.com

3) How do I play a different performance on the MK3 using the MODX instrument/engine- e.g. and organ - while simultaneously being able to play a different performance - e.g. Classical piano - on the modx? I;m not sure I get how to play one track without Local control and one with local control at the same time?

Hi, you cannot play different performances in the same time, MODX+ "host" one performance by one performance.

Record on your daw the organ performance in MIDI, correct mistakes, record the audio track.

When it's done, record the piano performance.


 
Posted : 11/08/2025 5:58 am
Jason
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The original post added /sounds to the question - so the right approach to play two different sounds simultaneously would be to craft a Performance with multiple sounds (i.e. Parts).  The most efficient way is to use 1-Part Performances and merge them together.  A 1-Part piano, 1-Part organ, 1-Part Bass, 1-Part String, etc ...  For external control you don't need to use Parts 1-8 so you have quite a lot of different sounds you can target with an external keyboard.  I'm not sure what the MIDI routing capabilities are of your DAW (I'm not familiar with Studio One) but perfect if you could take the MK3 MIDI and output it to multiple channels on the MODX+.  Then you could overcome any MIDI channel limitations the MK3 has.  The MK3 can only output to one MIDI channel but if you can use the DAW to setup multiple MIDI tracks to route back the MK3's single channel to multiple MODX+ channels then you could target as many Parts as you want (up to 16) under the MK3's control.  These would all have Kbd Ctrl turned off (Parts 9-16 automatically have Kbd Ctrl off - Parts 1-8 you can turn off by pressing the Kbd Ctrl button that's on the HOME screen for any given Part).  Any Part(s) you have Keyboard Control turned off will not respond to local MODX+ piano keypresses assuming you have pressed [PERFORMANCE] (HOME) in order to de-select all Parts.   There are other details - but this is the most straight-forward way without getting into the weeds.

 

The original question seems to be geared towards live performance more than recording on the DAW.  This is why I biased my answer towards utilizing the DAW only as a means to route the MIDI from a limited external controller.

 


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Posted : 11/08/2025 4:29 pm
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Thanks Jason, you are correct, it is for live performances...


 
Posted : 09/09/2025 4:50 pm
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Hope what I wrote makes sense and helps.  Let me know how it goes.


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Posted : 09/09/2025 6:26 pm
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Thanks all for the info!  Here's what I've been able to do thus far: As I was also looking for an easier way to perform live, even though I like studio one, it;s like a really big hammer on a really small nail. I downloaded Cantabile. Its usability for my issue was excellent. First, I found the first performance that I wanted for a given song, went to properties and wrote down the MSB/LSB/Program Change numbers. Then I would go into edit and copy the performance parts to 9-16 for the SL-73 to play (it's set on channel 9) Then do the same for any subsequent performances that I wanted available on the SL73. If I only want it on the MODX I just wrote down the numbers. Then, in Cantabile, I open a song, create a route from, SL-73 to MODX CH9. Then go into the binding area, tell it that when the song is loaded to effect a program change to the MSB.LSB.PRG. Then I make a route from the MODX+ in to the MODX+ ch1-8 (single routing for all 8), go to binding and input the MSB.LSB.PRG as a binding also on load. And I can do this to more than one route playing whatever number of parts I have room for.  (currently 3-4 is the most I've tried).   I also experimented down the path of creating new performances from multiples, then setting up key ranges and channels. It did work but was most definitely a harder way to do it. If there were a better computer interface for the modx I'm sure it could handle all of the chores but using its I/F or even using it in conjunction with Messieurs editor is still pretty taxing....

 


 
Posted : 20/11/2025 11:01 pm
 Toby
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Using parts 9-16 is a good use for having an external device play them since they don't have keyboard control anyway.

But you can still have an external device play parts 1-8 if you turn that parts keyboard control to OFF. If keyboard control is OFF for a part 1-8 you don't have to deal with key ranges since they won't be involved. If you have NO parts individually selected than all parts with keyboard control ON will play together. If you select a single part and it has keyboard control OFF then only that part (1-16) will play.

You are taking the right approach. Set up a process/plan that works for you and then use it for as many of your setups as you can.


 
Posted : 20/11/2025 11:24 pm
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you're absolutely right..but for me it was easier to just to copy so I;d have the parts available wherever I wanted them without having to go back into the edit interface...like you said, finding what works for me best!


 
Posted : 20/11/2025 11:41 pm
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