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Walter
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Here's what I did;

- Pressed Live "Set"
. Found and selected "Assignable Knobs"
. Pressed Exit
. Selected "Motion Control, Overview, Common

If I move the Super Knob, all 8 assignable knobs move as I would expect, but the graphic overview shows that the Super Knob's blue line goes to Part 1, and Part 1's green lines go to Assignable Knobs 1 + 2 only. The Common button in "Part" is illuminated. Also in the screen view, the "Commons" in both the "Part" and the row with Common, 1,2, etc are highlighted.

Now if I select Part Select 1/1, the Part Select 1/1 button illuminates, and on the screen the Part "Part 1" rectangle is lighlighted, but there are 8 green lines going to all the Assignable Knobs, The blue line from the SK goes to Part 1. Now if I move the SK, only assignable knobs 1 and 2 move as you would expect.

But why are the overview graphics not correct? Or am I missing something? Click on photo attachment for the "common" screen.

Walt

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Posted : 02/07/2016 10:54 pm
Bad Mister
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Thanks for the question. The eight Assignable Knobs on the upper "Common/Audio" level of the architecture are automatically linked to the Super Knob. However, each of the sixteen synth Parts has its own set of eight Assignable Knobs.

The first eight Parts, 1-8, have the distinction of being able to link any of their eight Assignable Knobs to the Super Knob. *Or not*. And that point is made in the article, or not. You can opt in and link the Part AssignKnob with the Super Knob, or simply use them separately, unlinked.

In the example, only two of the Part 1 assignable knobs are linked to the Super Knob, the others are manipulated directly when you select [Part Select 1/1]

The link takes place on the upper COMMON level: "PART 1 ASSIGN 1" / "PART 1 ASSIGN' 2"

When you press the [PART SELECT 1/1] button you are now able to see the assignment for PART 1's eight Knobs. I even labeled the Part 1 Assign Knobs so that you can see what they are assigned to control, when you select PART 1

touch the box that is labeled "Part 1 Control Settings: to be taken directly to where you can see the assignments to PART 1's eight Assignable Knobs.

Only the Cutoff and Resonance parameters are (additionlly) linked to the Super Knob, allowing a customized sweep that avoids overemphasis via Resonance (causing howling), the parameters assigned to Part 1's Knobs 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 are to be manipulated directly and individually when [Part Select 1/1] is lit.

 
Posted : 02/07/2016 11:51 pm
Walter
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Phil, Thanks for the quick response, and on a Saturday Holiday weekend. Your explanation helped clear things up. Not having owned a Yamaha synth before the Montage makes it harder to grasp some of the concepts that are old hat to experienced Yamaha users.

Thanks again, and I'll probably have more questions as I go along. Did I mention that I would like to be able to have DAW control over the Super Knob? 😉

You can have the rest of the long weekend off!

Walt

 
Posted : 03/07/2016 12:32 am
Bad Mister
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Thanks again, and I'll probably have more questions as I go along. Did I mention that I would like to be able to have DAW control over the Super Knob? 😉

The sentence by itself does not make sense. In light of the fact that the knob generates MIDI data that can already be recorded to the DAW. If you can record it to the DAW it follows you can play it back! What does "DAW control over the Super Knob mean"?

 
Posted : 03/07/2016 10:39 am
Walter
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Bad Mister wrote:

Thanks again, and I'll probably have more questions as I go along. Did I mention that I would like to be able to have DAW control over the Super Knob? 😉

The sentence by itself does not make sense. In light of the fact that the knob generates MIDI data that can already be recorded to the DAW. If you can record it to the DAW it follows you can play it back! What does "DAW control over the Super Knob mean"?

Thanks for the response. Please refer to the attached screen shot for a discussion of "What does "DAW control over the Super Knob mean"?. This photo shows the Piano view in Sonar. Other DAWs have similar capabilities. The upper part of the screen shows the MIDI events or notes that were played during a performance. The lower part shows "Continuous Controller” lanes.
Controllers are the MIDI events such as volume, sustain pedal, and pan that you use to change the sound while you're playing. You can enter controller data from within SONAR, or record them from external devices such as MIDI keyboards.
Controllers let you control the detail and character of your music. You can also add/change any of the data in the Controllers that will CONTROL the parameter of interest.
Although you can record Super Knob changes during a performance via MIDI Sysex data, one cannot easily (if at all) modify or add after a recording the Sysex data. (You can view it Sonar but that’s it.)
Let’s say that I recorded a perfect performance via MIDI that I could never repeat, but I realized that the timing or movement of the Super Knob was off, or after hearing this perfect performance I realized that I should have used the SK in another part of the performance.
Once again referring to the attachment, if I can add/edit CONTROL parameters such as velocity, pan, pitch bend, volume, etc. why can’t Yamaha add the capability to Control the Super Knob via continuous controller messages in my DAW.
I guess some purists refuse to use a DAW and just record their performance on a “Tape Recorder” or some other media, and either nail it the first time (that’s not me) or record again and again until its right. (that’s not me, at least most of the time.)
Just like some photographers are too proud to use Photoshop (I do) to correct a photo, “I’ll keep shooting it until I get it right or I won’t use it!”

The more I play the Montage (and understand it better through your tutorials), the more I appreciate its capabilities. As an engineer, I don’t want to be just a Scuba Diver, I want to touch the bottom.

It would really be nice if Yamaha added DAW control of the Super Knob via Continuous Controller messages. BTW, while at Gear fest , I met with Blake Angelos of Yamaha and discussed the Montage. I asked him about DAW control of the Super Knob, and he told me that presently the only communication for the SK was through Sysex messages, but Yamaha might be working on a fix for this.

That would be splendid…

Walt

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Posted : 03/07/2016 5:16 pm
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