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Problems connecting my MOXF8 to Logic Pro X

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 Karl
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Hi all,

I'm hoping I can get some help to figure out what's wrong with my setup.

I have just bought an MOXF8 for my studio setup which i'm trying to fully set up but not having much luck.

i've got a Focusrite Sapphire PRO14 audio interface and an iMac, which i connected via MIDI to my previous keyboard, a Yamaha MM6. I've already downloaded the Yamaha Sternberg USB driver software and Logic Pro x is already picking up the MOXF8 on both the input and output Audio device categories. It is also able to play the software instruments in logic pro x. However, I am still unable to hear the audio from the keyboard itself. My monitors are currently connected to the Sapphire audio interface. I need my setup to be in such a way that I can hear both my VST instruments in Logic Pro X and the MOXF8 sounds through my monitors whilst they are connected to my audio interface. Please help on what i need to do to achieve this setup
Many thanks!;)

 
Posted : 01/10/2017 5:28 pm
Bad Mister
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My monitors are currently connected to the Sapphire audio interface.

Connect all devices you wish to hear (monitor) to the device acting as your audio interface.

Connect the Main L&R Outputs of the MOXF to a pair of inputs on your Sapphire audio interface. All setting concerning Audio of the MOXF could be made at that device.

The YSUSB driver will deliver digital audio via usb directly to the computer, if you wish. But in order to hear (monitor) the MOXF you need to connect its analog Outputs in such a way so you can hear its audio. In your current setup there is no path from the analog L&R Outputs to your speakers (connected to your audio interface).

Connect two 1/4 cables from MOXF to the Sapphire... even if you don’t route this to your DAW to record, you need to route it to your speakers to monitor.

 
Posted : 01/10/2017 6:05 pm
 Karl
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Thanks Bad Mister, just after I posted this I decided to test it by directly connecting my monitors to the MOXF8 and it works, however there is a popping noise that's coming through. I've decided to do it the analog way and connect my L&R outputs to the line inputs on my audio interface. That way all my sound will go through the audio interface.
It will now mean though that to hear the sound from the MOXF8 on Logic Pro, I'll have to create an audio channel to the midi track.

 
Posted : 02/10/2017 2:19 pm
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It must be stated that the MOXF has its own built in 4-in/2-out audio interface... so if you prefer, you can connect the MOXF to your computer and it can act as it’s own MIDI and Audiio interface.

And since you are using a Mac you can build an aggregate audio device that would accommodate input from both the MOXF and your Sapphire interface simultaneously.

But the situation would remain - only one of them would connect to your monitor speakers... so you would always need to connect the analog Output of one to an analog input of the other for monitoring purposes only. For example, if you setup so the MOXF was your main audio interface... the speakers would be connected to the MOXF Main L&R. Your Sapphire would connect via two 1/4” cables L&R Out to the A/D Input of the MOXF (for monitoring only) while it connects to your computer as it does normally (FW)

You can built an Aggregate Audio Device that would have inputs from the MOXF and the Sapphire.

In other words: each would be able to send digital audio direct to the computer, but only one connects to the speaker system... thus the need for an audio path between one and the other not for recording, just for monitoring.

Macintosh computers allow multiple audio devices to deliver audio simultaneously to your DAW. If you wish to pursue some of these advanced configurations we’d be happy to help you get setup.

(You maybe able to setup the other way, using the Sapphire connected to speakers, only I cannot instruct you on how to select direct monitoring on that device - I’m not familiar with it- but I’m confident it probably has a way to do this as it is a common configuration.

 
Posted : 02/10/2017 5:46 pm
 Karl
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Hi Bad Mister, thanks for this. I've managed to work out my setup now and can switch between the MOXF and my audio interface for monitoring purposes.

Just 2 more thing I need your guidance on now.

1. When recording the MOXF8 into Logic Pro, what is the best way to get both the midi and audio recorded in my DAW using the audio connection from the MOXF? Currently I'm getting the midi data via a Midi track which comes through on output 1, which I can also hear the audio through, however I need to be able to separate the MIDI and Audio track.

2. Does the DAW remote function on the MOXF8 work with Logic Pro X or is it only designed to work with Cubase?

Thanks.

 
Posted : 12/10/2017 3:02 pm
Bad Mister
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1. When recording the MOXF8 into Logic Pro, what is the best way to get both the midi and audio recorded in my DAW using the audio connection from the MOXF? Currently I'm getting the midi data via a Midi track which comes through on output 1, which I can also hear the audio through, however I need to be able to separate the MIDI and Audio track.

? You can’t technically hear MIDI what do you mean?

2. Does the DAW remote function on the MOXF8 work with Logic Pro X or is it only designed to work with Cubase?

Cubase, Logic Pro, Sonar and Digital Performer.
Press [UTILITY]
Press [F1] GENERAL
Press [SF5] REMOTE
DAW Select = LogicPro
Press [Store]

 
Posted : 12/10/2017 4:25 pm
 Karl
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Hi Bad Mister,

Thanks for your response. See below clarification on my first question.

1. When recording the MOXF8 into Logic Pro, what is the best way to get both the midi and audio recorded in my DAW using the audio connection from the MOXF? Currently I'm getting the midi data via a Midi track which comes through on output 1, which I can also hear the audio through, however I need to be able to separate the MIDI and Audio track?

You can’t technically hear MIDI what do you mean?

Sorry I should have been clearer. Obviously you can't hear MIDI, so I was asking which output the Audio sends through, so that I can assign the Audio output to an Audio track in Logic Pro. On my current setup, I can record the MIDI direct from the MOXF8 but the audio is not coming through on the separate audio track I create in Logic Pro, though I can hear it on the monitors.

I'll send a screenshot of what I mean separately.

 
Posted : 13/10/2017 10:34 am
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To understand what’s going on... I know exactly what you mean, I wanted you to think through it yourself (forgive me, it is what I used to do when I taught audio engineering - if you can express it properly some times it clicks). The Audio is heard because the MOXF is connected to your speakers directly. And “Direct Monitor” is On.

When working with MIDI Local Control is usually OFF. yo complete the circuit from Keyboard to Tone Generator by sending the MIDI signal through a DAW MIDI Track set to echo the signal to the Tone Generator on a specific MIDI channel. Once this circuit is complete, you hear what you are sending to your MIDI Track because the MOXF is connected to your monitors.

The tricky thing here is that the MOXF is acting as both a signal source and as your audio/MIDI interface.
So the MOXF is sending audio out through two different pathways (this is why some times you’ll experiencing doubling of the audio) but once you are aware of these two pathways, and how to select them, you begin to learn to manage them properly... choosing just the one you want to monitor.

The MOXF sends analog audio directly to the speakers via the Main L&R. It also sends a digital feed to your computer via USB.
The computer sees the MOXF as a 4CH Input. 4-in/2-out Audio Interface.

USB 1/2 defaults to the A/D Input
USB 3/4 default to the MOXF Synth Parts

The likely reason you are not getting audio in the DAW is you have the wrong set of stereo audio Outputs connected.
Sorry, I’m not a Logic user but all DAWs work similarly. You will see the MOXF as having 5 MIDI Ports, and two pair of audio Ports.

By default, your Synth Parts are assigned to USB 3/4

Go to your audio track and select the MOXF’S PORTs 3&4.

Once you have Logic set to receive audio from the MOXF on audio Ports 3/4, you will be able to record the digital audio to an Audio Track set to receive audio from Logic’s audio inputs 3/4. If you have Direct Monitor On, you will now hear the signal doubled, both the direct path and the path that travels through the DAW.

YOU ONLY NEEED TO HEAR ONE PATH.... Normally, you’ll select to listen to the direct path ( you can MUTE the audio Track path, until playback) this is standard operating procedure but is purely a choice. Most engineers listen to the live direct signal, and will playback the recording to hear if what they sent in has been accurately captured.

If you choose to monitor the signal through the computer you should defeat the Direct Monitor path... the key is you only need to monitor one or the other. The direct monitor is zero latency (speed of light) the signal going to and through the computer is delayed by the amount of latency in your system. If you are performing (playing the keys) you’ll probably want the Direct Monitor path as well, so MUTE the audio track (you’ll see it is still receiving audio, you are simply preventing it, during the record process, from reaching the audio interface.

It’s that simple and that complex. Follow the signal...

 
Posted : 13/10/2017 10:53 am
 Karl
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Thanks Bad Mister!

Will try that and get back to you...Lol! Simple and complex! Tell me about it 😉

 
Posted : 13/10/2017 1:39 pm
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