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  1. kaustubh
  2. Legacy Yamaha Synths
  3. Friday, 13 July 2018
I recently bought Motif Rack ES. I am looking a way to integrate it with cubase 8 AI. My laptop is 64bit and have downloaded and installed all latest drivers and software (motif rack es mulipart editor,voice editor, yamaha usb-midi driver, yamaha steinberg usb driver, studio manager)

I am having hard time to understand how integration in cubase works. The studio manager doesnt recognise motif rack es in cubase, but does in standalone studio manager application. however i am unable to play motif rack es in standalone app also. i have selected 'USB' option in MIDI IN/OUT on Motif rack es.

My hardware setup is i5 laptop, connected to motif rack es via USB, M-audio axiom pro connect to motif es via MIDI cable, RME UCX (sound card) connected to laptop via USB and output of motif es connected to input (3/4).

Please help for find a solution.
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I recently bought Motif Rack ES. I am looking a way to integrate it with cubase 8 AI. My laptop is 64bit and have downloaded and installed all latest drivers and software (motif rack es mulipart editor,voice editor, yamaha usb-midi driver, yamaha steinberg usb driver, studio manager)
When your hardware exceeds a decade or more from the computer and software you can anticipate some major issues getting things to run. No one (except you) are testing a product like the Motif-Rack ES (2004) and the Studio Manager host application and a Rack ES Editors with Cubase AI8. When the Rack ES was a current product, Cubase SX was out.

But let’s get you pointed in the right direction... the “Yamaha Steinberg USB Driver” has nothing whatever to do with the Motif-Rack ES; That Driver is for Devices post 2011 when Yamaha synths started sending both MIDI and audio via USB. The Rack ES precedes that era by seven years... Yamaha had not even purchased Steinberg yet.

You will need and will be using the “Yamaha USB-MIDI Driver” if and only if, the Motif Rack ES is Set to MIDI I/O = USB. And to use the Editor you must have a USB connection.

You mention the Rack ES is connected both via USB and via a MIDI cable to your audio interface ... WHY? It’s unnecessary. You will need to Select one or the other. If you want to use the Studio Manager and the Motif-Rack ES Editors you must set the Rack ES’ MIDI I/O = USB
So please disconnect the 5-pin MIDI cables from the Motif Rack ES.
Set the Rack ES to MIDI I/O = USB
You do not need to uninstall the Yamaha Steinberg USB Driver, you simply don’t have any products supported by that driver.

You will need to run the Studio Manager as a separate host application. Before external hardware Editors were integrated fully into the DAW environment, the Yamaha Studio Manager acted as a stand-alone host application that handled all of your external hardware... linking to them via either USB or FW you were able to simultaneously handle bulk saves or bulk loads to a studio full of external hardware.

Back in the days of networked studios where your console, your synths/modules and your hardware effect processors could all be linked via a MIDI network. Studio Manager then negotiated with the DAW giving one device that managed all your external hardware.Yamaha had a DAW (SQ01v2) that actually fully integrated Editors for hardware mixers, effect processors and Synthesizers into the DAW environment. But it was Windows only...

Shortly after Yamaha purchased Steinberg (Jan 2005) the entire protocol was rolled into an integrated system that happily exists inside the DAW - handling both MIDI and audio via a single USB connection. And Cubase/Nuendo we’re both Windows and Macintosh compatible! Unfortunately the Rack ES predates all that tight integration, by just a little bit.

You will need to launch the Studio Manager and select the Motif-Rack ES Multi Part Editor and the Voice Editor as the applications you want it to manage. Using the USB-MIDI port setup you need to launch communication between the Studio Manager, the Editors and the Rack ES hardware.

You don’t mention what computer and what OS you are running so we can go no further in speculating just how much you may still be able to get to work. Certainly you will run into some non-compliance somewhere along the line. This means that because of changes in computer systems and requirements some thing may no longer work in the same manner as they did 14 years ago. This does not mean they will not work just that no one is testing or claiming to support making it work over such an amount of time.

That said I’m quite sure the Studio Manager might predate 64-bit systems that might be the very first stumbling block -but without knowing what OS you are running I can only guess.


Here is a link to a pdf I wrote on the Studio Connections concept back during that time (circa 2005): it covers the Voice Editor, the Multi Part Editor, the Studio Manager:
Studio Connection Recall
kaustubh Accepted Answer Pending Moderation
wow. thankyou for your support in sharing information and pdf file, sir. That really is nice history to know. I do understand that it is old, but i like the sounds, who wouldn't? It gets exiting for me that it supports PLG 150 cards (which i will be upgrading to DX and AN).

What i meant was, unbalanced output of motif es is connected to 3/4 input of UCX, and midi controller keyboard (Axiom) connected via midi to motif es, my error.
well, the motif rack es is connected to Laptop having windows 10 OS, 64bit version via USB only (no midi).

Next, I also found out now that the firmware version on motif es rack is not updated, it is still on 1.02. Here, i dont understand the readme instruction on firmware zip file where it says (point 4),
"4) Start recording on the sequence software connected to the MOTIF-RACK ES. See each manual of sequence software regarding these settings."
what sequence software mean?
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