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I've loaded this library pack I had originally purchased (and ultimately never used) on an XF series keyboard. I see in the forums that other users here have the pack. I'd like to see if there are any active users of the pack that can trade notes of how certain sounds respond on their keyboard (a Motif XF or MOXF) since the pack was originally designed for those instruments.
My use is on a "compatible" instrument - going through conversions. So I'm wondering if some of the "funny business" with certain "voices" is due to the conversion - different hardware than original - or just the way the original pack is designed to respond (and I just don't "like" it for certain voices).
Here's some things to get started:
1) BndTuba Vibrato (now this is an individual waveform - but there are voices based off of it ("Banda Tuba" without AF1 or AF2)
Does this respond where low velocity is almost quiet (not super low dynamically, but lower than medium velocities), medium velocity gets really loud, then highest velocities are back to the low velocity in terms of output level - yet the sample sounds "brighter". The only issue here is the level seems like it is not balanced to the velocity level. Same "issue" on the Motif XF/MOXF?
To put it in more technical terms - Element 1 which has a velocity range (for me) of 1-64 gets louder near velocity 64 than a velocity of the start of 65-127 for element 2. So the instrument responds very unnatural.
2) The Bajo Sexto seems to have a similar velocity/loudness issue at high velocities - similar to the tuba
3) Guitarron Mega is pretty all-over-the-place with velocity response and what it does. It almost seems like there's a "cycle" like the scat voices doing random stuff. The higher velocities seem to produce the softest sounds - low velocity both brighter and louder sounds. Wondering if it reacts the same way on the keyboards it was designed for.
There are some other observations - but those will give a feel if it's just the conversion (which I can manually tweak) or the original programming (which I can also tweak). The point is to learn how much I'll have to do this when converting content vs. just cleanup because this particular set doesn't respond how I'd like it to.
Posted : 02/06/2017 2:15 pm
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This message was originally posted in the Motif XF section because I was trying to find someone who had loaded this library onto an "XF" series (even MOXF) - I noticed there was previous "traffic" on the Motif XF forum for this sound set so I stuck it in the Motif XF section. I gave it 2 weeks and still no response.
The purpose of the post is to figure out if something is "wrong" in the translation between the original Motif / MOX formats and converting to Montage. I pointed out some strange things - and do not have a Motif XF or MOXF to test if the strangeness is the same there (which would mean conversion is fine) or not (meaning I may have to adjust to match the intent).
I do understand that performances are not translated. So I should be dealing with a collection of "Voices" here.
BM - do you have access to the library you can check out for me? Anyone else with the sound set and can load up on a MOXF or Motif XF?
Thanks in advance.
Posted : 17/06/2017 8:44 am
BM - do you have access to the library you can check out for me?
No, sorry, I don't have this Library.
Shame you never played it on your Motif XF, seems that this would have answered all your questions.
In general, because of the differences between the Montage and the previous MOXF/Motif XF series, most Sound Libraries are being redone to take advantage of the Motion Control Engine. I notice on YamahaMusicSoft.com there are 14 items listed "compatible" for Montage. -- if you change the "Your Instrument" to "Montage"
If you own a Sound Library made specifically for a previous model, your mileage will vary when attempting to convert it to Montage - some of the data may not translate due to its preparation, or there may be issues that limit its use to a specific product due to contractual reasons (copy protection).
I will contact the folks who should know and see if there is some clarification about attempting to use these libraries in Montage and whether there are plans to convert these for the Montage User, if that is necessary. It is interesting that they do not list any of the Motif XF or MOXF libraries as "Compatible" with Montage. And I'm sure it's because the data is not completely converted to Montage format when you attempt to load it... only Voices, Waveforms and Arpeggios have the potential to be converted. A significant portion of the raison d'être in Sonidos de Mexico are the 128 four Part Performances created to recreate classic song and song style setups for this genre category. These will not be compatible (I believe this is the principal reason for it not being listed as "compatible"... it is also my guess as to why some Voices seem to behave strangely.
Not knowing the data or how the XF Voices were created it is impossible to say, for all we know the unorthodox velocity response may be integral in how the Performance behaves with an assigned Arpeggio. Playing a Voice that has been built to react to a specific ARP phrase or set of phrases, in the absence of those phrases, can make no sense.
For example, try playing the "Mega Nylon" Guitar normally, in absence of the ARP phrases designed for it, with its eight way velocity switches... obviously designed for play from an arpeggio phrase(s).
Like trying to describe an elephant when all you can touch is the tail... you may not be seeing data you need to make the entire picture make sense.
Or something similar... (we'll see what we can find out...)
Is this data you need for your Montage? Or are you just curious...?
I should mention Easy Sounds is another source for Montage specific Libraries (for those in Europe)
Posted : 19/06/2017 11:45 am
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I'm utilizing the voices that work as-is from the set. Out of the problematic "voices" - I'd use Bajo Sexto more than the rest. So there is a mix of curiosity and utility. The curiosity has an application (is not idle). The answer could fall either way - the translation is near perfect and the original "voices" on Motif sounded this way (had the same character) ... or not. If the character is the same - then there's nothing I would, generally, need to "watch out" for when importing. If I knew that there was a general trend of a parameter that wasn't translated well - I could compensate for this by editing the translated performance.
The mega reference makes sense - these have the pick scrapes, finger swipe harmonics, body noises, and all the rest (for guitars). So #3 (Guitarron Mega) makes sense why it's "all over the place". The ARP needs to be there to properly play the voice. Although adding "M.Huapango_Gtn_MB_00" as an ARP to Guitarron Mega still seems to have some strangeness. I'm assuming "Gtn" = Guitarron and "M." = Mega. Most other ARPs seem to get rid of any strangeness except the octave chosen for the instrument seems low.
Posted : 19/06/2017 5:25 pm
