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I recorded a 5 part performance to my daw. Edited out a couple mistakes. Now I want to send the midi track back to the modx to record the edited version as a wave file back on my daw using the same six part performance. From what I hear is that I cannot assign all the parts on the modx to recieve on channel 1. So what I have been doing is copy/paste the the midi track to five different tracks on daw and set them to send on channels 1- 5. Is that the best way to do this or is there something else I should do.

 
Posted : 21/11/2022 6:15 am
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If all the parts are playing the same notes, this is the way to do it in most DAWs.

Some have ways to mirror the content of one track's output to others, but this is not all DAWs and not much fun, so it's better to just duplicate the required tracks and adjust their sends to the respective MIDI channels/tracks on the MODX/Montage.

When the audio returns, make sure to not record the recording. I was doing this the other day in Reaper, and for the first time ever managed to record the recording, as well as the initial recording, so the volume was louder than it should be and a slight phasery type thing going on. I don't think you should have this problem, this was the first time it happened to me. Probably another Windows update foible. Joy!

 
Posted : 21/11/2022 9:02 am
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Also, at the Performance level there's a Mixing button on the left. Whilst all 5 tracks are playing, click this and then watch the far right, bottom corner meter, to see how high it's going, and adjust that level (right next to it, click and spin the jog dial to adjust) to as high as you can without seeing any orange touch the top of the meter. This will give you the greatest possible dynamic range of the audio recorded.

 
Posted : 21/11/2022 9:04 am
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[quotePost id=119402]I recorded a 5 part performance to my daw. Edited out a couple mistakes. Now I want to send the midi track back to the modx to record the edited version as a wave file back on my daw using the same six part performance. From what I hear is that I cannot assign all the parts on the modx to recieve on channel 1. So what I have been doing is copy/paste the the midi track to five different tracks on daw and set them to send on channels 1- 5. Is that the best way to do this or is there something else I should do.[/quotePost]We will assume you recorded initially, as MIDI, to your DAW, and now you are ready to render that MIDI data as audio.

Disclaimer: What is not clear is “I recorded a 5 part performance to my daw” then later you say you want to “record…back on my daw using the same six part performance.” The number of Parts could be a typo or it could be my complete misunderstanding of what you want to accomplish (I don’t know which…) but hopefully some of the following is useful:

You mention that you’ve heard that you “cannot assign all the parts on the MODX to receive on channel 1” — which is not necessarily true. The question is: would doing so serve your purpose? — that would be the only reason to do so.

When a Single Channel is appropriate
If you recorded the MIDI data to your DAW via separate MIDI Channels — that is, “MIDI I/O Mode” = Multi, you will need to maintain separate MIDI Channels, throughout.
However, if you recorded the MIDI data to your DAW using “MIDI I/O Mode” = Single, then it would have been possible to record just one MIDI Channel of data and have the MODX receive that data back on a Single channel (and do everything you did).

When using “MIDI I/O Mode” = Single, if any Arpeggios are assigned within the Performance, then the note events generated by the various arpeggiated Parts are NOT Output via MIDI. In such a case, only the notes that you pressed directly are documented to the MIDI OUT. (This means in order for playback to sound correctly, you must reset/rearm the [ARP ON/OFF] button prior to playback. (Obviously so the same directly played note events can trigger the appropriate arpeggiated phrases during DAW playback).

It is not clear from the information provided, whether your 5 or 6 Part Performance contains Arpeggio Parts or not. You mention that you “edited out a couple mistakes” in the DAW — but that does not specifically tell us whether these were changes to what *you played* directly or what an *Arp Phrase played*. (In order to be what the Arp Phrase generated you would have had to have been in “MIDI I/O Mode” = Multi).

Anyway… if you currently have the composition, as MIDI data, in your DAW - and it is playing back just as you like - and now you wish to render audio back to your DAW, you simply need to edit your Performance Parts, each-by-each, assigning them to the USB Outputs you wish to use. If your goal is a stereo recording - set each active “Part Output” = Main L&R.
If your goal is separate audio Tracks for each Part - set the “Part Output” = so each Part has its own discreet audio bus output.

A lot of your next “best” move will depend on the status of your data, the DAW you are using, and your options will change depending how you got to where you are now.

If you simply want create a stereo Wav file of your data: as long as playback from your DAW is correct:
Place a USB stick in the TO DEVICE port
Record playback using the on-board Performance Recorder’s “Audio” function.

From Performance HOME
Tap “Play/Rec”
Tap “Audio”
Press the [RECORD] button
Run a bit to observe the meter, adjust level, if necessary.
Set the Trigger method to either “Manual” (press PLAY) or a low trigger level like “1”

When you have your settings — print one… to begin recording press [PLAY]
When complete press STOP
The MODX will SAVE the file to your USB stick (total maximum record for a single file = 74 minutes).

 
Posted : 21/11/2022 1:06 pm
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Thanks for your replies guys. And your assumption on the typo was correct. I meant to say five parts. You guys had hit the nail dead center on the head with your replies and added some very useful info. A buddy ask me to "track" a few songs for him and one song was Dont stop believing. The piano sound consisted of a five part performance (courtesy from Narf sounds). So I recorded a midi track of me playing it to click track. No arps used on that performance but the next song has one on it, so thanks for the info on recording the arp. Not knowing what he meant by track, I thought I would supply him with a .mid track and stereo .wav file sample when he gets back. So thanks again for the help

 
Posted : 21/11/2022 5:32 pm
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Since you are recording a Multi Part (single instrument) Performance, like a 5-Part Acoustic Piano, with no arpeggios, you would be a candidate to have used the “MIDI I/O Mode” = Single setting.

Press [UTILITY] > “Settings” > “Advanced”
Set the “MIDI I/O Mode” = Single and set the MIDI Channel = 1

Now when you record to the DAW all your data will be handled on a single MIDI Channel (1)… thus making editing much easier, avoiding dealing with multiple separate MIDI Channels when making edits, and avoids fumbling with multiple streams of data.

The main reason multiple channels are used in many of the Multi Part Performances is so real-time Parts can co-exist with Parts under Arpeggiator control… you can understand why the Arpeggiator data must be kept separated; because a single stream of data maybe requesting a specific note to be played staccato for one Part (finger picked guitar) at the same time it is requesting a held sustaining sound from another Part (string/pad). “No can do”, illogical. (Besides Drum Arp patterns usually sound pretty silly on anything but the DrumKit - and never sound good on the piano).

The Single I/O Mode was designed for the situation where your KBD CTRL Parts are all to be addressed directly by your interaction with the Keyboard (ie, No Arpeggiators assisting you).

The Multi I/O Mode (the default) allows each Part its own discreet MIDI Channel. This means they can be used simultaneously independently and separately. 8 Parts can be linked via KBD CTRL and 8 Parts can be addressed individually on a separate channel.

And to complete the trilogy, the Hybrid I/O Mode combines the other two… such that the KBD CTRL Parts can be addressed via a single Channel, and the others (non linked) each, individually, can be addressed on a separate channel.

 
Posted : 21/11/2022 11:42 pm
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Posted : 24/11/2022 9:01 am
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