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Bosendorfer Volumes Don't Transfer

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Michael Trigoboff
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I'm continuing to work on my Modern Jazz Quartet clone (drums, bass, piano, vibes). I'm currently figuring out how to program the Super Knob to smoothly morph from the piano to the vibes and back. My goal is to keep the volumes of the three Parts of the Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Piano in the proper proportion to each other as the overall volume of the piano goes down to zero, and similarly for the two Parts of Vibraphone MotorOn as their volumes come up from zero. I'm figuring I can do this by properly setting three of the COMMON Assignable Knobs to control the piano Parts in proportion, and two of the COMMON Assignable Knobs to control the vibe Parts. (Is this the best way to do this?)

Starting with the INIT AWM2 Performance, I hit the [+] in the blank Part 2 and select the Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Piano. The three Parts of the Bosendorfer are added to my Performance as Parts 2, 3, 4. So far, so good.

But the volume settings of these three Parts in my Performance are not the same as the volume settings in the original Bosendorfer Performance. Reading from left to right, the volumes in my Performance are: 71, 77, 24. The volumes in the original Bosendorfer Performance are: 118, 127, 41. Why aren't the volume settings copied directly?

EDIT:
I previously said this: The numbers in my Performance aren't even in the same proportion to each other as they were in the original. In actual fact, the numbers are in almost exact proportion: multiply the volumes in the original Bosendorfer Performance by 0.6 and you get the numbers in my Performance.

This gets even more mysterious when I hit the [+] in the blank Part 5 and select Vibraphone MotorOn. The two Parts of the vibe Performance are added to my Performance as Parts 5, 6. In this case, the volume settings are copied exactly as they are in the original: Part 5 is 100, Part 6 is 127.

So something unique seems to be going on with the Bosendorfer Performance. The question is, what?

 
Posted : 04/06/2016 5:47 pm
Bad Mister
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I'm continuing to work on my Modern Jazz Quartet clone (drums, bass, piano, vibes). I'm currently figuring out how to program the Super Knob to smoothly morph from the piano to the vibes and back. My goal is to keep the volumes of the three Parts of the Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Piano in the proper proportion to each other as the overall volume of the piano goes down to zero, and similarly for the two Parts of Vibraphone MotorOn as their volumes come up from zero. I'm figuring I can do this by properly setting three of the COMMON Assignable Knobs to control the piano Parts in proportion, and two of the COMMON Assignable Knobs to control the vibe Parts. (Is this the best way to do this?)

I too, have tweaked my MJQ Performance, so I can perhaps shed some light on this.

If you want to keep the exact original volume settings of the PARTS of the "Imperial Grand Piano" you can designate to "merge" them one-by-one, each-by-each, this copies the PART as it is programmed in the source.

On the PERFORMANCE-Merge screen (when you SEARCH from Part 2 of your "Init Normal (AWM2)" Performance, set the SOURCE parameter to PART 1 (shown in the screenshot attached).
Select the Imperial Grand Piano
Press [ENTER]

When you hit the "+" for PART 3 of your PERFORMANCE set the SOURCE parameter to PART 2
Select the Imperial Grand Piano
Press [ENTER]

When you hit the "+" for PART 4 of your PERFORMANCE set the SOURCE parameter to PART 3
Select the Imperial Grand Piano
Press [ENTER]

Because you are Merging Performances - placing the selected (merged) Performance in something other than PART 1, the Montage does some kind of calculation to change the PART Volumes. They seem proportional to me... I'm not sure what that particular calculation is, but you can avoid it by using the SOURCE designation to merge each PART one by one.

The advantage of creating your own PERFORMANCES in this manner is, of course, you don't inherit any of the "Common/Audio" level Control Assignments - which frees you to create your own (and it at the "Common/Audio" level of editing that you link Part Knobs to the Super Knob). Meanwhile the individual PART Control Assignments are brought along...

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Posted : 04/06/2016 9:32 pm
Michael Trigoboff
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If you feel like it, I'd love to see your MJQ Performance. Given that I've been working on the same thing, I think I could probably learn a lot from looking at yours.

 
Posted : 08/06/2016 8:34 pm
david
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That's intellectual property. He could show you but then he'd have to kill you which would ultimately be counterproductive. 🙂

 
Posted : 08/06/2016 9:09 pm
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