so why is the assignable knob stuck?

It’s a MIDI routing issue. A Knob that will not move usually means an incomplete MIDI circuit. When Local Control = Off, the MIDI circuit must be completed through the DAW MIDI Track assignment.

then I realized the superknob assignement of the bass cutoff did not work with the other parts, and so I deleted the superknob from the bass and want to overdub the cutoff movements separately for that part with the assignable knob that is assigned to cutoff.

Just exactly how did you delete ‘the superknob from the bass’? That would be critical in fabricating an answer for you.

Seems a different approach would have been to edit how the bass responds to the SuperbKnob movement. But this is your story... please describe a bit better what we are dealing with here... Track, Channel ? What do you have the Super Knob set to send, CC or Sysex?
Are you set to record Sysex? How many Parts are you recording at once, initially?

When you say you ‘want to overdub the cutoff movements separately for that Part’ can you describe your MIDI Track and Channel situation. There are too many possibilities to just guess.

I figured it out... In Cubase Elements 10:

- the superknob must be recorded on a separate midi track with midi channel 1

- the other knobs must be overdubbed on the midi track of the corresponding part instead of a separate track set to midi 1

and all of the above can be extracted and edited with the mouse 🙂

seems to work now. cool!

Awesome!

Need help again, I cannot get this to work anymore either. How can I extract the automation data of the assignable knob movements in Cubase elements 10? it used to work. now I can´t do it anymore.

after trying 20 times, I can get cubase to extract the automation, but ONLY if a specific part was selected druning recording. BUT it records the automation even when the performance is selected and not a specific part. it records it and plays it back. but it can´t be extracted on an automation track. only the superknob. nothing else. is this the way it is supposed to be? and why? this makes no sense at all. something defying all logic cannot be remembered by me and will always cause problems.

since this is all not really working I tried recording a SONG directly on the Montage with movements of the assignable knobs in TONE mode. when I import this song into Cubase, I cannot extract the automation either. Why not? What is going on here please? I need to work on these animation curves in Cubase. How can I make this work please? can it be done in Cubase Elements or not?

Ok, I have spent hours with this and I have zero success.

I have chosen the performance trance master to practice.

I want to record this perfomance with all it´s parts into cubase elements while moving the cutoff and resonance knobs for part 2 and record these automation curves in real time so they can be worked on with the mouse.

how can this be done?

here is a screenshot of what I recorded. it is useless. the first automation 106 is completely erratic, I did not create it. the other 2 do not play back. they cannot be assigned to midi track 2 either, because then the entire track goes into midi 2 and I only hear part 2. this is so wrong.

This is so much a “Cubase issue”, posting it here is like looking for your keys under the street lamp a block and a half from where you dropped them, because the light is better here.

Have you tried asking about how to work with Cubase Automation via your MySteinberg Account, or on the Cubase Forum over at Steinberg.net or at their weekly “Cubase Hangouts” online?

Have you tried the Steinberg YouTube Channel? Tons of videos on every possible subject.

here is a screenshot of what I recorded. it is useless. the first automation 106 is completely erratic, I did not create it.

What we will do below is solve the mystery of the Controller data you are seeing on MIDI CH 3 (Expression) which for some reason you are calling “106”? The label says this is Expression or CC11
One quick listen to “Trance Master” you can immediately hear the “Gated” Control Arpeggio causing the very rhythmic on/off pattern on Part 3. A Control Arpeggio can generate CC messages. In this case CC11.

You certainly did create it by playing Part 3… the Arpeggio assigned to Part 3 is generating the data… the CC11 Expression messages are all over Channel 3

On what channel did you record CC74 Brightness?
On what channel did you record CC71 Harmonic Content?
CC messages include the Channel # — when you moved the Cutoff and Resonance Knobs what “Part” was indicated?

I’ll post back as I find (Cubase) videos that may help you accomplish your goal.

I recorded just like I learned from the old tutorials: everything on one track and then split it up later. I believe what I want to do simply does not work with Cubase elements. there´s nothing I can do to make it work. the only thing that works is to record the automation as an overdub later. this always works. I get automation tracks that can be worked on. why extracting automation with imported songs from the montage or recorded songs into cubase does not work, I don´t know. but that seems to be the way it is. the midi data should be there... but it simply cannot be extracted, for whatever reason I will never ever understand. Is this really just a Cubase issue? who in the Cubase forum could possibly tell me why the automation from the imported songs from my Montage cannot be extracted and worked on?

"106", "120", "35" are the CC values. This box helps you, for instance, as you are drawing or moving the CC data manually. The box will update with the value you set for that particular curve at the point where you are dragging/moving the value.

https://youtu.be/HxnDIuQiWzc?t=291

See the value change. up/down as the modulation wheel is moved in the video.

To be clear what I mean in saying "value":

Say you have CC #95 set to 114. The continuous controller number is 95. The value of this CC is 114. I detail this as to not mix "number" with "value". They are two different digits - but one describes which controller (the number) and one describes the setting of that controller (the value).

One quick listen to “Trance Master” you can immediately hear the “Gated” Control Arpeggio causing the very rhythmic on/off pattern on Part 3. A Control Arpeggio can generate CC messages. In this case CC11.

You create it by playing Part 3… the Arpeggio assigned to Part 3 is generating the data… the CC11 Expression messages are all over Channel 3

On what channel did you record CC74 Brightness?
On what channel did you record CC71 Harmonic Content?
CC messages include the Channel # — when you moved the Cutoff and Resonance Knobs what “Part” was indicated?

One quick listen to “Trance Master” you can immediately hear the “Gated” Control Arpeggio causing the very rhythmic on/off pattern on Part 3. A Control Arpeggio can generate CC messages. In this case CC11.

You create it by playing Part 3… the Arpeggio assigned to Part 3 is generating the data… the CC11 Expression messages are all over Channel 3

On what channel did you record CC74 Brightness?
On what channel did you record CC71 Harmonic Content?
CC messages include the Channel # — when you moved the Cutoff and Resonance Knobs what “Part” was indicated?

and how can I chose on what channel I record the automation when it´s all automatic, since I follow the tutorial from 2017 which says record all the parts onto one single midi track and split it into separate tracks later? therer´s nothing to set. the track is set to all midi channels, just like in the tutorial told me to do. so I am not the one chosing on what channel brighness and harmonic content are recorded. it´s supposed to do this automaticall on the right channel isn´t it? when I click on part 2 and play with the knobs, the automations should be recorded automatically onto midi channel 2, since I am set to all channels?

You could dissolve the track which will separate out each MIDI channel. Dissolving to tracks will create a new track for each MIDI channel inside your "all" track. Dissolving to lanes will still keep the data inside a single track but will tease out the data.

well, I can say it again: I can make the automation recording work in my Cubase elements 10 but not in my update to Elements 11. Elements 11 does not even play the automation back. Something is misset but I cannot figure out what. I guess I will have to use the old version, cos this is not getting me anywhere soon.