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DAW multiple track midi note chaos: how do people manage to work with these?

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Bad Mister
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Gabi wrote:

OK, IΒ΄ll have to live with that then. Not easy to edit tracks that are loaded with "silent" data thow. IΒ΄ll have to practice...

No, no no. You don't "have to live with that". We are here to deal with *how* you would proceed... I explained why you were seeing what you referred to as "silent notes".

If you wanted to record the "Seattle Sections" Performance as MIDI and needed to edit it
Press [UTILITY] > touch "Settings" > "Advanced" > set the MIDI I/O mode = Single

Now the data you send out to the DAW will occupy a Single MIDI channel, and gone are your "silent notes"

Please try this, because doing it yourself, experiencing it yourself, is the best way to learn exactly what is going on.
"Seattle Sections" is an example of a Multi Part Performance that creates a single instrument sound (Orchestral strings)

The example I gave was to show you why there were "silent notes" and this post shows you how to solve that. You would correct your errors (just once) because there is just one stream of data. Once corrected, render the Part to audio in your DAW. That's a viable workflow.

This would not necessarily work on a Performance where the formatting of Parts is different. Let's use "DJ Montage" as an example of a Multi Part multiple instrument Performance. If you set the MIDI I/O mode to Single, and "Arp Rec on DAW" instead of recording the Output of the Arpeggiator, it simply documents your trigger events and controller movements. Hopefully, as you attempt to record these, it gets clearer what is going on and what is being transmitted. One channel (Single) mode does not separate the different Parts to separate channels... you get one stream of data.

But if you wanted to edit the individual events in a Performance like "DJ Montage" you would need to transmit with MIDI I/O mode = Multi. Creating multiple streams of data. It will make more sense as you experiment with these yourself. Try it.

Don't give up. Yes, it's a different concept.

 
Posted : 24/11/2016 5:06 pm
Jason
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BTW: seems like some features that may help here - like the logical editor to filter out notes by range and velocity - are not available in AI - this is a Pro level feature. You can delete notes by velocity using one of the MIDI logical presets - but there's not a preset for restricting note range which may have otherwise helped you filter out silent notes.

For this you can do a more manual selection in the piano roll.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 24/11/2016 6:02 pm
Gabi
 Gabi
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thanks for your patience πŸ™‚

I understand your examples, I hope πŸ™‚

I have some more questions...involving Cubase. Ok, so here are a couple of images of my performance in Cubase. I am using midi multi, arp recording, I recorded everything on one track and then split it up. I used the Yamaha Montage Multichannel recording template in Cubase. I know this is not a Cubase forum, but this template was created by Yamaha for the Monatge so here are my questions. As we see in image 1, when I split up the track the new tracks land way down there under 16 other midi tracks in that template. There are a lot of useless tracks here that will all need to be erased.
So my question is: what is the purpose of that template? It looks like it was not meant to be used for recording everything to one track and then splitting this up but to record every part to a single track.

Now image 2: this shows the split up tracks. As we can see they do not end up in the right order but in the order 5, 3, 1, 2, 4. Why is that? ItΒ΄s definitely confusing. And as far as the silent notes, everything coloured in blue here is not playing on that track. With tracks 5 and 3 looking exactly the same and being in the wrong order, itΒ΄s not very helpful.
And I still donΒ΄t understand why the notes from the arp on midi channel 5 (in red) are also recorded onto midi channel 3 (in blue) etc. We are splitting a midi file into different midi channels and still there are notes from other channels on the wrong channel. What determines what ends up where then? Why is the arp from channel 5 not also on channel 2 for example?

All in all thereΒ΄s a lot of extra work to be done in that Yamaha Cubase montage template. Probably better not to use it but start with an empty one.

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Posted : 25/11/2016 8:14 am
Bad Mister
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The problem with using templates is it is giving the user a fish, instead of teaching them to fish (themselves). I'm not and never have been a fan, because in most cases they are used blindly without really considering if they serve your purpose.

There is no one way to work. (If I had a nickel for every time I've said that over the past 20 years, I'd have enough nickels to buy an election)!
Templates are the definition of "one way to work".

If you use this template it sets up 16 Tracks and it expects you will use them - one at a time.
That's not at all what you did... at all.

So simple: either commit and use the template. Or recognize that is not how you want to work.
Now once you figure out for yourself, how you want to work - CREATE YOUR OWN "Template" - of that workflow, I am a huge fan! πŸ™‚

 
Posted : 25/11/2016 3:24 pm
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