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Extensive article about the Montage M (with lots of detailed display and controls pictures!)

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 Jose
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It is in Spanish, but has plenty of pictures of displays and controls. It also talks a bit about the Montage G software version, called ESP, to be released in 2024:

New Montage M and ESP (Spanish)

 
Posted : 09/10/2023 6:45 pm
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I see a 'MultiPart' edit button in that one image. That could mean you can make a change to multiple parts at once.

This part of the translated text seems odd

Each AWM2 part of a performan can stack up to 128 elements, although they will rarely be used that much.

I think we were maybe expecting the 128 elements to mean keyboard control of all 16 parts.

The article already mentioned 16 part keyboard control so not sure what the above quote refers to.

The prices listed are $500 lower for each model than what was presented before.

Looks like you can store at least 3 superknob positions - there is a 'Left' and 'Mid' visible in the image.

And there may be some big Super Morph enhancements.

The 'morphing' routes between several FM sounds (Smarth Morph) now have the possibility of performing complex routes in a kind of multipoint vector synthesis controlled from the simplicity of the rotation of the superknob.

Currently you can only morph along a straight line between two endpoints. The above suggests that you can specify multiple points to morph between.

Not clear if they have given the user more control over the actual attributes that can be morphed. Currently the system pretty much picks what it wants.

 
Posted : 09/10/2023 7:13 pm
Jason
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Everywhere you look, there's a wish or Ideascale that's been granted.

Multi-segment morphing was a wish.

Assignable receive MIDI channels was a wish.

AN-X was a wish.

GUI improvements to help navigate was a wish.

More keyboard control was a wish.

Higher resolution parameters was a wish.

Software VST versions of the hardware was a wish.

The (granted) list goes on and on.

There's a relatively short list of things that didn't make it into this gen. And keep in mind there's both more to learn about what is included in the first firmware along with a certain reasonable possibility for more features to come in later firmware.

Never purchase for what could be - use the launch features to decide. Additional features are gravy (or icing, or...)

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 09/10/2023 10:40 pm
Jason
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If you want to see a stream before tech talk, check out:

https://youtu.be/6WGAefKb7V0?si=HrsDCOmv5gIeUek4

It's in around 6 hours from "now".

EDIT: Just a quick run through of a few sounds. Nothing below the surface. There's better content out there already from Guitar Center and AMS.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 1:30 am
Jason
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I've never expected that ideas submitted to Ideascale would be implemented in the current generation which was then Montage (classic) and then later the MODX(+). I didn't because I know some things are locked in due to architecture and as a lowly user, I can't possibly know what can or can't be done. Lots of ideas I floated here and there made their way into the first generation as features. Many didn't but now they're here.

Within my own Ideascales I'd often ask for an update to the current gen if possible or, if not, hopefully in a following generation. This was always my stance.

Of course, you have a right to be more demanding. We don't see this the same way. That's fine.

My earlier statements were based off the Hispasonic article. Now that I've read the manuals, there's even more good stuff.

Not that it's all good. I wish Lanes had more pulse types than A and B. I wish user curves could have more than 8 segments. I wish scenes had more "destinations" (like note ranges, etc). I wish AWM2 and FM-X would have more resolution like AN-X has. I wish FM-X was extended to include more FS1R features. That said, these (and more) are just my new stretch goals for either this M gen or the next. I'm kinda bummed some things didn't make it - but I'm exponentially more happy when I dig into what the new keyboard is.

Now one thing that's plagued some earlier new hardware generations (like from Motif XF to Montage) is that great features were missing from the new keyboard so even though there may be great stuff in the new gear, you still lost A LOT of functionality of the previous. This time around, I do not sense any of this. The new M is a beast of a superset of the classic. I wouldn't need the classic anymore with the M.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 6:31 am
Dragos
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[quotePost id=123580]There's a relatively short list of things that didn't make it into this gen. And keep in mind there's both more to learn about what is included in the first firmware along with a certain reasonable possibility for more features to come in later firmware.[/quotePost]
The fact that zero of the many requests for FM-X engine improvements got implemented is a big letdown.

Apart from that, it's a really, really awesome product and I do see an M8x in my future.

Hey, I see the clowns are here already 😀

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 11:17 am
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[quotePost id=123585]You really should get paid by Yamaha.[/quotePost]
You should be paid by Yamaha. To GTFO and never return.

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 11:18 am
Darryl
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[quotePost id=123586]I've never expected that ideas submitted to Ideascale would be implemented in the current generation which was then Montage (classic) and then later the MODX(+). I didn't because I know some things are locked in due to architecture and as a lowly user, I can't possibly know what can or can't be done. Lots of ideas I floated here and there made their way into the first generation as features. Many didn't but now they're here.
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I never expected my ideas submitted to Ideascale to be implemented, but I submitted all of them under Montage/MODX, not under Montage M/MODX+ or Other, so they were "never" intended for Yamaha to use to give to someone else in a new hardware version that I would never own. However the exception to this was the C7 piano library...that one I expected they would provide at the very least as a library before they discontinue the Montage. For me to see my top 2 ideas in the past 3+ years be given to the new Montage M, when they were both easily doable/developable on the Montage "pisses me off" to no end!!

Since day 1 in 2018 I believe, I requested the Yamaha C7 piano on Ideascale. Now they gave it to the Montage M, and left us with old Upright pianos as a thank you, but it feels to me like a F***k You! They could easily have given Montage owners the C7 library sound pack. My second top idea was to provide an enhanced Rotary Effect based off the YC's. They could have easily developed that and provided it in one final OS update within the past 3 years of silence...that one's not the end of the world for me, but a kick to the head none-the-less. But hearing the C7 in that 'Montage M' demo of Blake's really "pissed me off"...!! Check the date of when I submitted that idea in Ideascale... I NEVER asked for it in a new generation of Yamaha Synthesizers. EVERY stage and workstation arranger keyboard, even the cheaper CK have the C7, but not their Flapship Montage that they pushed Ideascale on, but didn't deliver on some easy and important ideas. I would have submitted them under other or general synth if I wasn't specifically requesting it for the Montage classic. I feel like a complete fool to have bought into Yamaha's new Ideascale concept and the OS updates based roadmap. They could so easily have provided that C7 piano library at any point throughout the past 3+ years of complete SILENCE! I don't think it was asking too much, since every other product has that piano except for the Montage!!!! 🙁

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 12:09 pm
Dragos
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[quotePost id=123597]I never expected my ideas submitted to Ideascale to be implemented, but I submitted all of them under Montage/MODX, not under Montage M/MODX+ or Other, so they were "never" intended for Yamaha to use to give to someone else in a new hardware version that I would never own.[/quotePost]
The level of infantilism that some of you people enjoy lowering to is embarassing to watch.

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 12:15 pm
Darryl
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[quotePost id=123598]The level of infantilism that some of you people enjoy lowering to is embarassing to watch.[/quotePost]
The level of high horse A-h0l3s with some like you is hilarious to watch. Take your ego and shove it straight up, then F**k 0*f!

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 12:47 pm
Dragos
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[quotePost id=123600]The level of high horse A-h0l3s with some like you is hilarious to watch. Take your ego and shove it straight up, then F**k 0*f![/quotePost]
The level of infantilism that some of you people enjoy lowering to is embarassing to watch.

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 1:22 pm
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Daryl makes excellent points here. Although the foul language isn't necessary. We were using Ideascale for the Montage line and were told that Yamaha had migrated to a firmware-based update model. Remember "more to come!" Then they were silent for along time and did this instead. The last update we got was something for the pitch bend wheel. Yippee. I also recall Yamaha claiming that the Montage was based on getting lots of user input before development. That cannot be the case now, can it? They had to incorporate all our ideas to make a better product. The funny thing is they still can't get a step sequencer in there. Perhaps they are afraid of losing Cubase sales. Cubase isn't that great. Bitwig 1000%.

Look we all have a choice. We can support Yamaha's enterprise or not. You know what they say "Fool me once - strike one, but fool me twice - strike three!" - Michael Scott.

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 1:42 pm
Darryl
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[quotePost id=123601]The level of infantilism that some of you people enjoy lowering to is embarassing to watch.[/quotePost]
Someone learned a new word and likes to reuse it...
I shared an honest reaction to watching/hearing a demo, not knowing they added the C7 to the Montage M, and it genuinely pissed me off. If something bothered you from the past 5 years, I wouldn't $h!t3 all over you about it. I don't respect patronizing, condescending, pretentious, supercilious, disdainful, disrespectful, gaslighting, lordliness, insults from an egotistic, belittling, demeaning, lofty cnut
I have a right to feel how I feel, just like you have a right to be what you're being right now, and therefore I have the right to respond to you in a manner suited for what you are!
"Oh, this guy is not happy about something he hoped for since day 1 with his Montage...I think I'll be a pr!kc & kick him while he's down and insult the F**** out of him. Now where's my other horse? I need more height...so I can reject others reality and look down on them from higher up"

You could have just ignored my rant, but your ego couldn't resist injecting your superiority complex
Sometimes "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"...

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 1:51 pm
Dragos
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Just grow up @Darryl .

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 1:57 pm
Darryl
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[quotePost id=123606]Just grow up @Darryl .[/quotePost]
Just F*** 0** already @Dragos

 
Posted : 10/10/2023 2:00 pm
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