It will be interesting to see if someone has tried to do that sort of thing on the M.

Is somebody here can challenge and get this kind of analog voicing sounds?

You don't have the level of control over the exact harmonics in a sound and the level for each of the harmonics that is needed for things like formants and the more complex sounds.

Take a relatively simple FM-X INIT using just 1 carrier and a sawtooth wave of 'All 1'. There isn't really any good way to change the level of a specific harmonic in that basic wave. What if you wanted to experiment with changing the level of the 3rd harmonic to see how it affected the sound.

You can't really do anything that only affects that 3rd harmonic. Any available filter is going to affect other frequencies. You can use 8 carriers and assign each one of them to one of the 1st 8 harmonics and set each level to the level (1/n) that harmonic has in a sawtooth. But using only 8 harmonics limits things.

And, sure, you could use the 8 carriers of a 2nd FM-X part to create harmonics 9-16. That might even sound good for one frequency. But now you need to dynamically adjust those inverse levels (1/n) for the harmonics as you go up the scale and, on an M, you don't have a way to do that.

My take is that an M would be the wrong tool for the job of recreating, and being able to control, some of the complex sounds heard in that video.

To create formant/vowel like filters,  you'll need to choose a Double Filter like LP+ LP, or HP + LP and then modulate the cutoff on one or both of them.  (I'm not sure, but the AN-X might have its own specific multiple Filters, that can be placed in series, parallel etc). 

You can do this for any of the FM-X, AWM2 or AN-X Engines. 

All the Pads are pretty straight forward that you could recreate with any of the Engines, but you're likely best trying AWM2 and AN-X. 

Any synth music is a challenge to recreate on a different type of synth. Its likely that the intricate vocal sounds in the music you posted are peculiar to the synth that created them, maybe a unique Vocal Filter or some form of Vocoder.  The original  PPG used Wavetables,  so that sound could just be directly from a Wavetable.  The M doesn't have wavetables so you'd need to build it from scratch. 

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I think the  anx engine in the montage M is not enough sexy for me if I cannot program this kind of sounds I can get from Wolfgang palm ios apps like PPG infinite or Phonem and also from ANIMOOG ios APP. 
Is somebody here can challenge and get this kind of analog voicing sounds? In the link below, even what is sounding like voice vocoder is only analog.

As I mentioned on the YamahaMusicians forum, I believe you can emulate those sounds on the Montage M via AN-X, but this is not an AN-X specific sound, so you should also be able to use AWM2 and FM-X to get it.

One thing you could utilize for this is configuring the Part Insert effect "Talking Modulator"..!?
Also adding the "VCM EQ 501" effect (along with "Talking Modulator"), setting the Q to near the highest value, increasing the gain and adjusting the Freq(s) to match the formants (f1, f2, f3) could make it even more like the sound clip.
Check out the Performance "Major Fazor" & also "3o3 Talker".  The basic sound is not the same as in the sound clip you provided, so you will need to find (or program) something that is closer, and also utilize filtering as mentioned above.  But if you check the "3o3 Talker" Performance and switch between vowels using the Superknob down to 0 ("ah") and up a bit ("ee"), you are already getting closer.  I did a few more minutes of checking and the formants for "ah" ('a') appear to be around the 850(f1), 1610(f2), 2240(f3) frequencies, so I would likely try setting those on the EQ and configure AssignKnob destinations for an "ah" vs "ee" sounds, possibly creating custom User Curves for them to tune them correctly to various vowels.  Another option would be to use the Vocoder effect as well!

Here's another option you can try as a quick test that might get you to the sound you want:  Try taking the "3o3 Talker" Performance, disable Element 2, adjust the Filter EG levels to '0' on Element 1, use that same "Talking Modulator" effect in both InsA and InsB, reduce the Output volume on both to around 39 or so, add InsB Vowel as a second destination of AsgnKnob 3, and see how much closer you get..!?  (If it's getting closer to your liking, then find and replace the basic sound on Element 1 with one that's closer to the sound clip)

What I have found with the Montage classic (so it should be true for the M as well) is that there always seems to be a way to get the sound you want within a millimetre of it.  It might take some research, trial & error, Performance diving, tweaking, re-tweaking, etc., but I've yet to hit a wall and not be able to emulate a sound on my Montage classic (including Osc Sync stuff using FM-X since it doesn't have the AN-X).

So unless you can find someone to program this for you or find it in a sound pack/library, this challenge is really on you to put in the work, put in the time, and get the Montage M to emulate what you hear in that sound clip. If I needed that sound you are looking for on my Montage classic, I'm confident that I could program it, but I don't so I am not willing to put the time into it.

I would also suggest checking out Manny Fernandez's sounds to see if he already worked on formants via the FM-X engine..!?

Thank you everybody for your answers, if I have time for that, I will push more some experiment on the montage classic as mentioned from you, at the time I had no big success and my question was oriented toward the Mx8 that I don’t have. My thinking is that it will be great to have a partnership between Yamaha and Wolfgang palm for update the anx engine   but this is certainly for an  another dimension or a parallel world ! 

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I think the  anx engine in the montage M is not enough sexy for me if I cannot program this kind of sounds I can get from Wolfgang palm ios apps like PPG infinite or Phonem and also from ANIMOOG ios APP.

I checked out a few Demos of PPG INFINITE by Wolfgang Palm for the iPad MEGA Synth, and I did not hear anything that can't be done on the Montage classic.  They do some morphing stuff too, which I can do via FM-X Morph.

Perhaps having the AN-X morphing might provide something new..!?

I also checked out some PPG Phonem for iPad vids, and that's great for formant based synth stuff, but again that can pretty much all be done on the Montage classic.  One thing I would do if I wanted specific vocaloid-like phrases like in those vids, is to either (a) use the vocoder with a mic as the input source, "or" (b) record samples of the phrases, import them as waveforms in an AWM2 Part(1), turn that Part1 sound to 'Off', and use that Part as the input source to feed the Vocaloid effect in another Part(2).

Not that I have the money anyway, but if I did, I can't really justify getting the M8x as I would really only care for the new keybed feel for pianos, the new Hamburg, C7 & CFX2 preset pianos, and the Shimmer Reverb.  That's it!  But since I already have customized/tweaked Steinway & C7 libraries and I can emulate the Shimmer Reverb with existing onboard effects on the Montage classic, I would really only be paying for the new keybed!  If money was no object I would trade up, but not for the AN-X or anything else really, except for the enhanced GEX keybed (and not so much for its PAT functionality either, just for the better feel for pianos)...

See Manny's FM-Xplorations Article 5

https://yamahasynth.com/learn/montage-series-synthesizers/mannys-fm-xplorations-article-5/

I would also suggest checking out Manny Fernandez's sounds to see if he already worked on formants via the FM-X engine..!?

Manny does hit on the topic a teeny bit and mentions the talking modulator effect

This is a sound is particular favorite of mine, a very unique and Zawinul-esque monophonic lead sound. First, play and hold the E below middle C (E2) for a good 10 seconds or more and listen to the rhythmic shifting vocal formant effect inspired by the didgeridoo. The majority of the timbral shifting is created within the FM-X engine using multiple complementary Motion Sequences controlling Operator Level, coarse Frequency, and Resonance. Then that is enhanced using the Motion Sequences to shift the Vowel Formant of the Talking Modulator Effect:

That article (and others in the series) provide details about using, and importantly controlling, multiple motion sequences and arpeggios to get various effects.

He provides a link to download all of the example performances he uses and talks you through what he does with them. It does take quite a while, though, to actually work through all of the examples.

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or" (b) record samples of the phrases, import them as waveforms in an AWM2 Part(1), turn that Part1 sound to 'Off', and use that Part as the input source to feed the Vocaloid effect in another Part(2).

that could be interesting, how would you feed the part 2 with the part 1 witch contain the phrase wave form?

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I checked out a few Demos of PPG INFINITE by Wolfgang Palm for the iPad MEGA Synth, and I did not hear anything that can't be done on the Montage classic.

may be but I don’t find till now this kind of sounds, not even near, in montage classic and not too in the M demo in internet. But may be are you able to accomplish that, I know that time is precious and if this kind of sound is not your goal, then I cannot ask you to give us an exemple to listen.

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that could be interesting, how would you feed the part 2 with the part 1 witch contain the phrase wave form?

You would feed it via the Vocoder effect in Part 2.  Set the 'Modulator' parameter on the top right to "Part 1" in the drop down list.

Ensure the "Part Output" in Part 1 is set to 'Off'.

Yamaha's Vocaloid software produces some pretty good sounds as demo'd here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeFXImLfwPg

You can download a trial version from the main web site

https://www.vocaloid.com/en/news/news_001/

That could be used as the sound source to create the samples Darryl was talking about.

The Vocaloid wiki article is fairly extensive and has a lot of relevant info about the history and versions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocaloid

Or record a wav of your own voice and feed it in.   Either a long phrase or different smaller chunks varying key-by-key.

Some of this was what the FS1R demo'd as a capability.  FM-X is highly leveraged from the FS1R but stops "half way" not implementing the formant or noise ("unvoiced" ) side which allows for sequencing synthesized vocals.   Since Montage Classic there's a community of folks who have nudged for a more fully realized FS1R feature-set but, as of today, that's not in the cards.