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Korg DS1H Half-Damper Pedal NG?

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Okay, so I hit the buy button and received my Montage today. Very nice board. So I plug in my Korg DS1H Half-Damper Pedal and it doesn't work at all. Can this be? Any feedback welcome. Thanks!

 
Posted : 21/02/2017 9:18 pm
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Yes, that can be. There is officially support only for the Yamaha pedals. But of course it works with others. But for example my beloved Roland only works if I switch off the half pedal mode. Then it behaves like normal switching pedal and everything works fine.

 
Posted : 21/02/2017 9:22 pm
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Thanks, unfortunately the pedal has no switches. I tried all of the settings in the Montage menu, none of them work.

 
Posted : 21/02/2017 9:32 pm
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It's strange because Korg's website for this pedal shows only tip and sleeve (source: http://www.korg.com/us/products/accessories/ds_1h/ ) - but I know this pedal is TRS. Maybe just a website error. Moving along ...

Source: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=63121&sid=8eba4a58367a4a19e40c117e73c89642

DS-1H Fully disengaged (not stepped on):
Tip-to-sleeve resistance ~30k
Ring-to-tip-or-sleeve resistance = infinate (no connection)
Ring = GND

DS-1H Fully engaged (stepped on):
Tip-to-sleeve resistance ~3k
Ring-to-tip-or-sleeve resistance = infinate (no connection)
Ring = GND

A note on DS-1H calibration (which won't help you):

edit: there is a type of calibration adjustment. There's a Philips head screw that applies pressure to the potentiometer frame. This screw is visible looking straight into the pedal front opening, but requires the bottom to be removed from the pedal if the screw is to be turned CCW as the frame won't follow the screw back out and the frame must be bent by gentle prying. after doing this my pedal range has expanded, the resistance values are 0%= 32K 100%= 1K My pedal is still erratic, but the Half damper point is closer to the middle than the bottom.

The Yamaha FC3 pedal has different wiring and therefore the DS-1H is not compatible without tearing apart the pedal and rewiring everything. Better just to get the right pedal for the application.

Source: http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=355

FC3 Fully disengaged (not stepped on)
Tip-to-sleeve resistance ~10k
Ring-to-tip-resistance = ~0k
Ring-to-sleeve-resistance = ~10k

FC3 Fully engaged (stepped on)
Tip-to-sleeve resistance ~10k
Ring-to-tip-resistance = ~10k
Ring-to-sleeve-resistance = ~0k

You see that the response of each terminal for each pedal is completely different due to different wiring of the potentiometer inside each of the pedals. Polarity or not does not come into play here because there are more fundamental differences which make the DS-1H as-is (factory wiring) unsuitable for use with the Yamaha Montage and other related products.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 21/02/2017 10:07 pm
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Thank you Jason. As you mentioned I will probably pick up a Yamaha pedal. First day with Montage was difficult in many areas. I tried very hard to prepare myself for this transition, but I kept running into walls regardless. We will see..

 
Posted : 22/02/2017 7:36 am
Bad Mister
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Get yourself a Yamaha FC7 sweep pedal - it will allow you to move the Super Knob with your feet!

 
Posted : 22/02/2017 3:32 pm
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I believe you also have to activate that pedal type function somewhere in utilities?

 
Posted : 22/02/2017 6:46 pm
 Tho
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buy the Yamaha FC7 Pedal is the best, it can control the super knob without touch your fingers...

$36 dollars at 8th Music Store

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Posted : 22/02/2017 7:13 pm
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... keep in mind these suggestions to get an FC7 are IN ADDITION to getting the FC3A pedal which is the latest half-pedaling ("continuous") pedal for sustain use. The FC7 is an expression pedal which is not used for sustain.

Since expression pedals wanders away from your original question - I just wanted to make this clear.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 22/02/2017 8:43 pm
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Thank you everyone! I ordered the FC4A. Just an ordinary sustain.

Pedals are one thing but to be honest I'm having a great deal of difficulty getting my head around this board, between navigation and Yamaha reinventing midi. The overall build is very nice. Besides navigating, I immediately noticed a volume issue, "extremely loud". I'm using a pair of Mackie HR824s. I had to lower them half way and still.. If I lower Montage then my other tracks are too low and my track input signal is low also. In my DAW Logic, I couldn't get my plugins and the Montage to sit properly in a mix. (Track input signals) I will say that my plugins do sound very nice thru Montage. (Thanks BM you were spot on!)

As of yet I have no problems recording, it's mainly the interface loading arps and trying to set them up with scenes and of course Performances, Live Sets and the right side of button pushes?? It all gets a little daunting. I might add I am no child and yes very much a veteran. 🙂 I don't play out anymore, just here in my home studio. I sure do wish there was a good set of video tutorials. Any feedback/direction is always welcome. Thanks for the ear.

 
Posted : 23/02/2017 4:10 am
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Yes, just a standard sustain is fine if matching the functionality of the DS-1H wasn't needed.

You may want to open a new thread to cover the volume settings. In that new thread it would be best to describe the full configuration you are trying to control volume of - as there are lots of routing options.

Of course, there's no reinvention of MIDI. What's been implemented is standards based. There is one limitation in assigning the relationship of channel on MIDI input to a PART (you cannot arbitrarily assign each PART to any MIDI channel) - but I'm not sure this can be regarded as reinventing anything. There is a long legacy of devices from all sorts of manufacturers with fixed channel restrictions. Sure, there's also others which allow a more arbitrary assignment (offer more flexibility).

Take your time, it's worth investing some ramp-up time to get acquainted with how to do the basics leading to more advanced features. Montage is very in-line with "the Yamaha way" - meaning there's not a huge departure from the Motif line which goes way back (and also product lines before Motif).

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 23/02/2017 5:44 am
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Jason wrote:

Of course, there's no reinvention of MIDI. What's been implemented is standards based. There is one limitation in assigning the relationship of channel on MIDI input to a PART (you cannot arbitrarily assign each PART to any MIDI channel) - but I'm not sure this can be regarded as reinventing anything. There is a long legacy of devices from all sorts of manufacturers with fixed channel restrictions. Sure, there's also others which allow a more arbitrary assignment (offer more flexibility).

Take your time, it's worth investing some ramp-up time to get acquainted with how to do the basics leading to more advanced features. Montage is very in-line with "the Yamaha way" - meaning there's not a huge departure from the Motif line which goes way back (and also product lines before Motif).

Thank you Jason, "slip of the tongue" and of course they haven't reinvented midi. I was and am in a bit of frustration and out it came. I don't mind putting in the time it's just that every thing I try to do I have a hard time getting there.

 
Posted : 23/02/2017 7:55 am
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