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None of my tests have shown any difference between using 'Arp Bypass' versus just using the 'Arp Master' switch to prevent arp output.
Are there specific use cases for using 'Arp Bypass' rather than just using 'Arp Master'? If so, what are they.
1. Neither switch setting is preserved on a power OFF/ON cycle
2. Neither setting permanently affects the stored/permanent value of a part Arp switch. The 'Arp Bypass' switch (but not 'Arp Master') DOES alter the current/effective value of the part Arp switches by using OFF for all parts even if the setting is ON.
Are my assumptions regarding setting 'Arp Master' to OFF true? Testing seems to support them.
1. Any currently running arps, and the sound they produce stops immediately
2. No arps are triggered while the master switch is off
3. No polyphony resources are used by any arps
So my question is: are those assumptions also true for 'Arp Bypass'?
If they are then why is an 'Arp Bypass' switch even needed or useful given that you could just use the 'Arp Master' switch on the front panel?
Tests show that setting 'Arp Bypass' to ON:
1. does NOT permanently affect the stored Arp part setting for any part. If part 3 has Arp ON but you change 'Arp Bypass' to ON the screen will show part 3 as having Arp OFF. But if you now store the performance it will show part 3 with Arp ON (and 'Arp Bypass' as OFF) after you load it again because ON is the stored setting - it was just temporarily overridden in memory when 'Arp Bypass' was set to ON.
2. immediately stops the sound of any currently sounding arps.
What my tests haven't been able to determine is whether the arps are actually stopped or if they keep running (but not sounding) in the background.
Nor can I determine if new arps are not started, and using polyphony, or if they are started but just can't be heard or have their midi exported to a DAW.
Why was 'Arp Bypass' added when it seems that the front panel master switch can already do the same thing?
Posted : 22/09/2024 5:58 pm
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Classic Montage actually uses the 'Arp Master' switch to toggle 'Arp Bypass'.
Forgot to mention that in Daniel's 'External midi note ...' thread he and Jason mention that an OS Update for the classic Montage:
1. added an 'Arp Bypass' switch to the 'Utility -> Effect Switch' screen
2. added a shortcut to toggle that switch by using '[SHIFT] + [ARP ON/OFF]'
Which suggests that an arp 'bypass' must be doing something different than the 'Arp On/OFF' master switch. Otherwise what would be the point of adding the 'SHIFT' key to effect a bypass if the master switch already did the same thing?
On the M8X that 'shortcut' added to the classic montage doesn't toggle 'Arp Bypass' at all but instead brings up the 'Edit Common -> Arp / MS - > Arp Overview' screen (p.234 of the ops doc). That screen allows you to more easily create the same settings for multiple parts without having to copy the settings manually.
Curiously, that 'overview' screen doesn't show the state of the 'Arp Bypass' switch. I don't know if that is an oversight or if adding the switch to that screen doesn't really add any value when you are configuring arps.
Posted : 22/09/2024 9:59 pm
When you switch Performances Arp On/Off will turn on or off depending on the Performance's save state. Arp bypass is system global so it would persist through Performance changes.
There may be other nuances, but that's what I would regards as the key difference.
Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R
Posted : 22/09/2024 10:51 pm
Got a gateway error and the post isn't (yet) available to edit. Surely when it posts the window to edit will be past. But there's a typo. If I remember correctly, "regards" should be "regard". Auto complete...
Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R
Posted : 22/09/2024 10:57 pm
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Classic Montage actually uses the 'Arp Master' switch to toggle 'Arp Bypass'.
Forgot to mention that in Daniel's 'External midi note ...' thread he and Jason mention that an OS Update for the classic Montage:
1. added an 'Arp Bypass' switch to the 'Utility -> Effect Switch' screen
2. added a shortcut to toggle that switch by using '[SHIFT] + [ARP ON/OFF]'
Which suggests that an arp 'bypass' must be doing something different than the 'Arp On/OFF' master switch. Otherwise what would be the point of adding the 'SHIFT' key to effect a bypass if the master switch already did the same thing?
On the M8X that 'shortcut' added to the classic montage doesn't toggle 'Arp Bypass' at all but instead brings up the 'Edit Common -> Arp / MS - > Arp Overview' screen (p.234 of the ops doc). That screen allows you to more easily create the same settings for multiple parts without having to copy the settings manually.
Curiously, that 'overview' screen doesn't show the state of the 'Arp Bypass' switch. I don't know if that is an oversight or if adding the switch to that screen doesn't really add any value when you are configuring arps.
Posted : 22/09/2024 11:07 pm
Topic starter
Classic Montage actually uses the 'Arp Master' switch to toggle 'Arp Bypass'.
Forgot to mention that in Daniel's 'External midi note ...' thread he and Jason mention that an OS Update for the classic Montage:
1. added an 'Arp Bypass' switch to the 'Utility -> Effect Switch' screen
2. added a shortcut to toggle that switch by using '[SHIFT] + [ARP ON/OFF]'
Which suggests that an arp 'bypass' must be doing something different than the 'Arp On/OFF' master switch. Otherwise what would be the point of adding the 'SHIFT' key to effect a bypass if the master switch already did the same thing?
On the M8X that 'shortcut' added to the classic montage doesn't toggle 'Arp Bypass' at all but instead brings up the 'Edit Common -> Arp / MS - > Arp Overview' screen (p.234 of the ops doc). That screen allows you to more easily create the same settings for multiple parts without having to copy the settings manually.
Curiously, that 'overview' screen doesn't show the state of the 'Arp Bypass' switch. I don't know if that is an oversight or if adding the switch to that screen doesn't really add any value when you are configuring arps.
Posted : 22/09/2024 11:09 pm
I am not sure but maybe this arpbypass is a kind of high security lock specially for midi recording to avoid arps to be accidentally triggered???
Montage 7 classic
Posted : 23/09/2024 8:13 am
