I checked it on the Montage classic and I can hear the sound that it makes just fine.  It's a subtle high bell sound with fluctuating waves & panning.

The VarSend on Part2 is set quite high (100) and the Variation effect for that Performance is 'Classic Flanger' set to 'Jet' Preset.  It's an interesting effect, which I like and will keep in mind for future use!  

I checked it on the Montage classic and I can hear the sound that it makes just fine.

Interesting! Thanks for checking

Yes - that waveform is a high-pitched bell sound and is just fine if you use it in an Init performance.

So if you can hear it on the Montage in the 'American Beauty' performance and I can't hear it in the M8X - that also suggests it is just an issue on the M.

Not worth spending any more time on since support has already confirmed the issue and is working on it. So this is the end of the line on this one.

I was, in a way, hoping I had overlooked a control, or some other, offset (Uni versus Bi or the curve) that the user needed to use in order to hear that element but that doesn't seem to be the case. It fails with no control assigns.

The only way I can load that performance and hear that element is by muting parts 1,3,4 turning the arp master off and muting elements 1,2,3,5,6.

Then I have to turn the front panel volume to max and I can then barely hear the bell sound on a few different keys.

Unless support ultimately shares what they find we may never know the real cause of the issue.

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The only way I can load that performance and hear that element is by muting parts 1,3,4 turning the arp master off and muting elements 1,2,3,5,6.

Then I have to turn the front panel volume to max and I can then barely hear the bell sound on a few different keys.

I also disabled the arp master, muted all the other Parts and all the other Elements on Part 2 to hear it clearly.  It is very subtle & quite low in volume, so when all the other Elements in that Part are playing (& definitely with other Parts added to the mix) it is difficult to hear without knowing what it sounds like.  It kinda blends in with the other Elements, especially when the Arp is playing.

So from what you said above, it appears that Part 2 Element 4 is indeed playing on yours as well, after you mute everything else & increase the volume a bit..!?

So from what you said above, it appears that Part 2 Element 4 is indeed playing on yours as well, after you mute everything else & increase the volume a bit..!?

Thanks for checking - only having one instrument I can't know what happens on another instrument.

I have to turn the front panel volume to  MAX and then can barely hear it.

Something is holding it back - maybe an offset somewhere.

1. add an Init Normal (AWM2) as part 5 to the 'American Beauty' perf

2. change the part 5 waveform to 2284 - 'Bell St1'

3. mute parts 1,2,3,4

4. I can hear part 5 with the front panel volume not quite one line above minimum. If I turn it to MAX it blasts my ears off.

Huge difference. In the minimal test I described in my other 'American Beauty' thread I deleted all of the common and part control assigns, deleted parts 3 and 4 and copied part 2 to part 1 and then deleted part 2. Also turned off both InsA and InsB and changed element 4 to 'Thru' so it doesn't even send to the InsA which if off anyway.

Changing the waveform of element 4 to anything else makes no difference at all - it doesn't sound

It is very subtle & quite low in volume,

I found the cause of the waveform 'not sounding'. The 3-band EQ in the effect routing for part two has -12.00DB for all three gain values.

Since I had set the InsA and InsB switches to OFF it never occured to me to check the EQ settings. For some reason my brain said OFF meant 'no signal on this path'. 

The diagram doesn't show it but those InsA and B switches have a 'fork' in them. If the switch is ON the signal path goes thru the assigned effect - which effect might be the 'Thru' effect. If the switch is OFF the signal path BYPASSES the effect, and continues on to either InsB or to the 2-band EQ.

My brain fart was in forgetting that the signal ALWAYS passes through both the 3-band and the 2-band EQs regardless of:

1. the InsA/InsB switch settings

2. the assigned A/B effects - there is ALWAYS an assigned effect which may be 'Thru'

3. the individual element 'Elem Connect' settings.

Why is it always the SIMPLE stuff that throws me?

Note that the Performance on the Montage classic also has the 3-band EQ for Part 2 with -12.00DB on all three gain values.

And as a test I also set InsA and InsB switches to OFF, but I can still here the sound coming from Part 2 Element 4.  And changing 'Elem Connect' from InsA to Thru I still hear the sound.

Note that the Performance on the Montage classic also has the 3-band EQ for Part 2 with -12.00DB on all three gain values.

Ok - and you previously confirmed that the 'American Beauty' perf on the classic doesn't freeze after 3+ minutes like it does on the M.

Some bug on the M is both causing the freeze and affecting the volume. If I load that perf and change the three gains to zero I can now hear the sound normally but after 3+ minutes the controls freeze up as before.

Odd how the part two volume is already set low (23) and then the three EQ gains are all -12 to boot. I've never seen that extreme of a combo.

I'm leaving this one up to support. I can't think of anything else to try that might narrow it down.

Thanks for taking the time to check things out on the classic.

It's good that these issues were found and Yamaha notified, as it helps everyone in the end, and will make the M more stable.  They will no doubt find a fix and release a patch for it.

Who knows how many other Performances and quirky things will get fixed because of this bugfix..!?  😉