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 paul
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I owned an Ensoniq TS12 light years ago, a really cool sound was concert piano with a delayed hammond organ and then delayed strings. How can I emulate this on the Montage7? Thanks

 
Posted : 12/05/2020 2:24 pm
Bad Mister
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Sorry, don’t know the sound you speak of... when describing the sound what was the cause of the “delay”?
An Effect processor?
Actual KeyOn delay?
Lack of polyphony to handle the three sounds, simultaneously?

Can you post an audio example or do a bit better job of describing the “delay”?

 
Posted : 12/05/2020 2:30 pm
 paul
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It was an actual KeyOn delay.
Piano sound first, hold the note/chord keys down and the hammond would fade in, then the strings if you kept holding the key.
Does that make better sense?
Thanks

 
Posted : 12/05/2020 3:21 pm
Bad Mister
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It was an actual KeyOn delay.
Piano sound first, hold the note/chord keys down and the hammond would fade in, then the strings if you kept holding the key.
Does that make better sense?
Thanks

Yes, it does! Thanks.

The MONTAGE can be programmed to play the sounds (placed in Parts of your Performance) in exactly that manner.

You can either delay the start of a sound by a set amount, or sync the start to be delayed by a specific musical value (between a 16th note and eight quarter Notes). When “KeyOn Delay Sync” = Off you set it by ear, the parameter is “Length”; when “KeyOn Delay Sync“ = On you can select a musical sub-division... this can be done to great detail.

The MONTAGE is made up of two synthesis engines: AWM2 (sample-based) and FM-X (Frequency Modulation). In the AWM2 engine each Element (Waveform) can be individually programmed as to the KeyOn Delay, while in the FM-X Engine the entire Part is set to respond as a unit. This is the nature of how the synth sounds are built within the particular. engine type.

This means you could build an AWM2 Part that does the entire thing in a Single Part, using different Elements to create each instrument sound, or you can use multiple Parts to build each instrument. (Your choice). The FM-X Part can use its 8 Operators to generate its contribution which can be set to be delayed as a whole.

You can determine whether the sound fades in or triggers immediately by programming its Amplitude Envelope. Again this can be done on a per Element or per. Part basis... either at the Element level of the architecture or via the PART’s Quick Edit “A-D-S-R“ Knobs.

Without over-programming...
Merge the organ and strings you want to use into an acoustic piano Performance. (If you need help with this - let us know).

To set the “Key On Delay“ parameter:
Press [Part Select] to select the Part you wish to delay
Press [EDIT]
Let’s assume you selected an AWM2 Organ
Touch the Element selection — the bottom of the screen shows active Elements, 1-8, in bright blue or you can use the third row of eight buttons on the right front panel to select Elements 1-8; the bottom row of buttons are Element mutes. Brightly lit is sounding, dimly lit is muted.
While looking at “Elem1” > touch “Osc/Tune” > find the “Key On Delay” parameters.
Use “Tempo Sync” if you want to set the delay to a specific musical value referencing the current Performance Tempo, or simply set the “Length” parameter, to taste.
The Elements have a radio button in the screen that illuminates when that Element is sounding (This can help you see which ones you are hearing.
Rinse and repeat, setting the same Delay value for each active AWM2 Element... (careful with any Percussion in your Organ sounds).

It works similarly in the FM-X Parts except the “Key On Delay“ parameters are Part Common parameters, found as follows:
Select the Part to Edit....
Hint: When viewing the Edit screens you will notice that FM-X Parts have a brown background (DX7 reference), AWM2 Parts are grey.
Touch “Part Settings” > “General” > find “KeyOnDly Sync” and “Delay Length“
Again, set the delay as desired.

Final touches... on the left front panel press the [TONE] button to select the top row of ‘Quick Edit‘ Knob functions.
Press the [PART SELECT] button for the Organ and offset the Attack Knob by turning that Knob from its 12 o’clock position, clockwise, to slow the Organ Attack
Press the [PART SELECT] button for the Strings and offset the Attack by turning the Knob from its 12 o’clock position, clockwise, to slow the string Attack

Press [STORE]
Name and store your new. performance to your User Bank.

 
Posted : 12/05/2020 6:31 pm
 paul
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Wow, thank you, I will spend the rest of the day trying this!

 
Posted : 13/05/2020 1:49 pm
Jason
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It would also kind of help to find a recording of the original Ensoniq TS12 patch - since the key on delay is going to "stair step" the time each sound starts its attack envelope (the birth of the sound). But perhaps the Ensoniq "faded in" the sounds or did something else interesting. Which can also be done in Montage - either using AEG or by using motion sequence or ... lots of choices. Not having heard what the Ensoniq patch is doing - I can't say for sure - but chances are whatever it is doing can be replicated, in essence, on Montage.

I did spend some time, the other day, trying to find something that matched what you were describing. I heard lots of TS12 stuff. The sounds show their age and not technically transparent (some issues with artifacts - or just "sloppy" programming). So the Montage version of the sound will likely sound better.

In '93 I did have a dream of getting an ASR-10 with maxed out memory. A local keyboard player associated with a band I was in played Eric Johnson's Cliffs Of Dover on the ASR and I thought the samples/effects (and his playing) really nailed it. I never did get any Ensoniq despite the desire. I think rent and food was more important for me at the time (no funds).

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 13/05/2020 10:30 pm
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