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Dragos
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Good.
Now try to be nice for a while.

 
Posted : 11/10/2021 3:56 pm
Blake Angelos
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Hello everyone,

Let's bring this back on track and focus on finding a solution if there is one and getting this directed in the right way. With that said:

- Please interact with each other respectfully.
- The Forum is a place for people to get answers to product questions and to get insights on their Yamaha synthesizer or stage keyboards.
- I would encourage any product update requests be logged on our Ideascale forum HERE.

Also, please try to stay on the topic of the initial post. The initial poster Chris asked about mapped chords.

There are some things you can do in MONTAGE that are similar to this feature. Could you expand on this topic with a use case?

 
Posted : 11/10/2021 5:20 pm
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@Chris

I've spent the necessary 30 seconds to see how this works in MainStage.

The best way to do this in the MODX/Montage will be recording custom arpeggios for the chords you want.

I know, that makes no sense. But here me out.

1. Arpeggios don't need to loop, they can be made to play only once.

2. Arpeggios can be set to only play one set of notes, they don't need to be "la da da dida" they can just be "la".

3. Arpeggios can be made to move their root up and down the keyboard as you play different single notes

4. A single key can fire off the entire chord as it's recorded in the "arpeggio".

5. Recording a chord this way is much easier and faster than messing with the individual elements of an AWM sound, which is very fiddly.
5. a) This approach is not even possible with the FM-X engine, the best part of the MODX/Montage and probably the reason you own one!

6. You won't lose the benefits of having 8 different elements in a Part, you can use them all, as they were. And the FM-X engine!

7. You can do this with any one fo the thousands of preset Performances and Parts

8. On each Part you can easily have different chords being triggered as you've recorded them

9. You can use the amazing Scene feature to have 8 different chords on any given Part in any given Performance

10. You can set the arpeggio to repeat at certain beats/rates, so it's super easy to make patterns

11. The arpeggio playing can be synced to various portions of a beat (including whole beats) meaning you can be a bit sloppy about when you trigger your chord, and it will still sound like you hit it on a beat (or exact portion thereof)

12. you can change the duration of the chord by changing the rate of the arpeggio

If this sounds like reasons to consider using the arpeggio to make your super duper chord mappings, the next part is the problem...

It's VERY fiddly to make your own arpeggios, even a basic chord.

Here's some of the steps, the final step will need guidance from Jason or Bad Mister, as I never seem to get it right:

1. Go into Pattern Sequencer Mode
2. Set time of recording to One bar (it defaults to 4)
3. Set to auto play/record so your input buts up against time zero
4. Arm the record button
5. Turn off loop
6. Play your chord
7. Quantise it so that all the notes get triggered exactly at the start (this is in the Jobs menu on the right)
8. now... figure out how to export this as an arp that plays up and down the keyboard based on which key you hit.

There's DOZENS of options in how you convert this to an arpeggio, and I've done this a hundred times for different types of arps and never exactly remember how to get the result I want. It's always trial and error, a few times, because there are so many options and they're so very badly named.

And dragos wins again. Even more strawmen per word. Winner!

 
Posted : 11/10/2021 7:18 pm
Jason
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There are multiple approaches to generating chords that can be triggered using a single piano key. Knowing how many different chord qualities (major vs minor vs dominant vs ... altered, etc) would help. Knowing how many root notes (which ones) would help (C vs C# vs D etc ...).

If you only need a Dmaj, Emin7, and A7 (for example) - then one can map out a few possibilities. Some more specifics can help narrow the field of possibilities to answer the question.

The interface is not going to be as purpose-built as solutions that are designed to play chords at the press of a button. For that you need software assist. However, if you're willing to program (a synthesizer typically has more flexibility meaning a higher degree of programming available) then you can arrive at the destination of having single button presses yielding chords of any quality.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 11/10/2021 7:49 pm
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