The foot pedals are analog and are digitized inside the keyboard.  Now Superknob, for example, controlled by a foot controller goes from 0-1023.  No need to get a special expression pedal.

Ok, i see. Then I guess if there is a better expression foot pedal than the Yamaha fc7 that I use since….near 40 years, they are very solid. I  don’t know if many player use expression pedal, but it will have been so useful the montage get a third entry foot pedal expression. One entry is use for overall volume control and second for super knob, a third one could have bring a nice bonus, I don’t have three legs but it happen that you can free one of the foot in the play and then, it could have been some job for it. May be is there a way by connecting an usb foot controller, I go to check this possibility.

One entry is use for overall volume control and second for super knob, a third one could have bring a nice bonus

The Montage and Montage M already have 3 connections: 2 foot controller jacks and an assignable foot switch jack.

Volume and superknob are just two default programming choices by internal presets.   These are both assignable so you can replace one or the other or both with your own programming.

Maybe you like Volume and Superknob and want a 3rd (keep those defaults and add another).  You could use an external MIDI pedal that allows an expression pedal to be assigned to CC15 then this would be acting as the breath controller which is an assignable source.

So this would require adding hardware that either converts a standard expression pedal to MIDI or a MIDI foot controller that has an expression pedal integrated that can itself send CC.

I would be more likely to reassign the defaults.

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Montage M meet midi 2 specification, is the jack entry for expression foot controller benefit from that with  a 0 to 1024 step? Also even if it is the case, there is not in the market a foot pedal expression that send 1024 step, it look like all are stuck to 127. Will have to wait for next generation of foot pedal I suppose, but I don’t see this coming. I trigger exclusively the super knob thru a foot pedal expression in live play and these question are crucial for that kind of performance. There is also a second issue with foot pedal expression witch is the mechanical action, even if the pedal could send 1024 step, it will not be sufficient if the mechanical is same as the actual foot pedal, I have as reference the fc7 Yamaha, I don’t think there are another brand that offer a much more precise mechanic. Yamaha should put in the market a Super foot pedal expression that can benefit from the new Montage. But is there many live player who intensely use foot pedal expression for controlling the Super knob?

The Footpedals (e.g. FC7) are Analogue... they're not Digital "Steps". 

They alter a Voltage (aka Control Voltage, or "CV") at the Input Jacks. 

The conversion to "Digital" Values (e.g. 0 -127 or 0 - 1023) is computed internally, in the Montage. 

The Montage M has more "quantisation" levels than the original Montage, therefore offering more precision.  However, the original 128 Levels (MIDI v1) is good for 99% of applications without hearing or perceiving any "Step Changes" or "jumps" in value. 

There is an option of using external MIDI Controller Pedals plugged into the MIDI IN Jack, if you need "more pedals".  Depending on the MIDI controller make/model,  currently,  they are likely to comply with MIDI V1 and send only Values of 0-127.  

Just to be clear though...  Yamaha FC7, FC4, FC5 etc are not MIDI Controller Pedals.  They'd work just as well on an old Analogue Keyboard with Foot Controller Jacks.   The FC Jacks on the Montage are Analogue Jacks, not Digital MIDI Jacks. 

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Montage M meet midi 2 specification, is the jack entry for expression foot controller benefit from that with  a 0 to 1024 step? Also even if it is the case, there is not in the market a foot pedal expression that send 1024 step, it look like all are stuck to 127. Will have to wait for next generation of foot pedal I suppose, but I don’t see this coming. I trigger exclusively the super knob thru a foot pedal expression in live play and these question are crucial for that kind of performance. There is also a second issue with foot pedal expression witch is the mechanical action, even if the pedal could send 1024 step, it will not be sufficient if the mechanical is same as the actual foot pedal, I have as reference the fc7 Yamaha, I don’t think there are another brand that offer a much more precise mechanic. Yamaha should put in the market a Super foot pedal expression that can benefit from the new Montage. But is there many live player who intensely use foot pedal expression for controlling the Super knob?

The Footpedals (e.g. FC7) are Analogue... they're not Digital "Steps". 

They alter a Voltage (aka Control Voltage, or "CV") at the Input Jacks. 

The conversion to "Digital" Values (e.g. 0 -127 or 0 - 1023) is computed internally, in the Montage. 

The Montage M has more "quantisation" levels than the original Montage, therefore offering more precision.  However, the original 128 Levels (MIDI v1) is good for 99% of applications without hearing or perceiving any "Step Changes" or "jumps" in value. 

There is an option of using external MIDI Controller Pedals plugged into the MIDI IN Jack, if you need "more pedals".  Depending on the MIDI controller make/model,  currently,  they are likely to comply with MIDI V1 and send only Values of 0-127.  

Just to be clear though...  Yamaha FC7, FC4, FC5 etc are not MIDI Controller Pedals.  They'd work just as well on an old Analogue Keyboard with Foot Controller Jacks.   The FC Jacks on the Montage are Analogue Jacks, not Digital MIDI Jacks. 

 

for sure. 

However, the original 128 Levels (MIDI v1) is good for 99% of applications without hearing or perceiving any "Step Changes" or "jumps" in value. 

I believe that.  it would be possible to benefit from the increase of step but then this would be an hardware issue. Like a giant super knob with a bigger circumference ( I don’t need this) or a more precise mechanic of foot controller, a mechanical concept different that what it is used presently, (this foot controller doesn’t exist)

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Montage M meet midi 2 specification, is the jack entry for expression foot controller benefit from that with  a 0 to 1024 step? Also even if it is the case, there is not in the market a foot pedal expression that send 1024 step, it look like all are stuck to 127. Will have to wait for next generation of foot pedal I suppose, but I don’t see this coming. I trigger exclusively the super knob thru a foot pedal expression in live play and these question are crucial for that kind of performance. There is also a second issue with foot pedal expression witch is the mechanical action, even if the pedal could send 1024 step, it will not be sufficient if the mechanical is same as the actual foot pedal, I have as reference the fc7 Yamaha, I don’t think there are another brand that offer a much more precise mechanic. Yamaha should put in the market a Super foot pedal expression that can benefit from the new Montage. But is there many live player who intensely use foot pedal expression for controlling the Super knob?

The Footpedals (e.g. FC7) are Analogue... they're not Digital "Steps". 

They alter a Voltage (aka Control Voltage, or "CV") at the Input Jacks. 

The conversion to "Digital" Values (e.g. 0 -127 or 0 - 1023) is computed internally, in the Montage. 

The Montage M has more "quantisation" levels than the original Montage, therefore offering more precision.  However, the original 128 Levels (MIDI v1) is good for 99% of applications without hearing or perceiving any "Step Changes" or "jumps" in value. 

There is an option of using external MIDI Controller Pedals plugged into the MIDI IN Jack, if you need "more pedals".  Depending on the MIDI controller make/model,  currently,  they are likely to comply with MIDI V1 and send only Values of 0-127.  

Just to be clear though...  Yamaha FC7, FC4, FC5 etc are not MIDI Controller Pedals.  They'd work just as well on an old Analogue Keyboard with Foot Controller Jacks.   The FC Jacks on the Montage are Analogue Jacks, not Digital MIDI Jacks. 

 

for sure. 

However, the original 128 Levels (MIDI v1) is good for 99% of applications without hearing or perceiving any "Step Changes" or "jumps" in value. 

I believe that.  it would be possible to benefit from the increase of step but then this would be an hardware issue. Like a giant super knob with a bigger circumference ( I don’t need this) or a more precise mechanic of foot controller, a mechanical concept different that what it is used presently, (this foot controller doesn’t exist)

 

Yamaha Foot Controllers are Analogue,  which means "continuous".  They don't have steps,  or what is known as "Quantization Levels".  

MIDI V1 typically has 128 "Quantization Levels". It is a "Digital Technology",  not an "Analogue Technology".

Google Dearch  "Digital Quantisation"  or "Analogue to Digital Conversion - Audio". 

It's a concept worth understanding. 

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Yamaha Foot Controllers are Analogue,  which means "continuous".  They don't have steps,  or what is known as "Quantization Levels".  

MIDI V1 typically has 128 "Quantization Levels". It is a "Digital Technology",  not an "Analogue Technology".

Google Dearch  "Digital Quantisation"  or "Analogue to Digital Conversion - Audio". 

It's a concept worth understanding. 

 

i catch the concept, thanks. If there is on the digital side an increase of definition, it should be on analog side the possibility to build new hardware that take profit of this improvement, electronically and mechanically( analog pedal or usb pedal) , that’s all but is there a room for  new controllers hardware in regards to the market’s need? 

For mechanical aspect of an « SEP, super expression pedal »,  hydraulic cylinder adjustable could meet the goal and also maybe some velocity control with programmable curves and… you will have a pedal at the cost of a synth 😀