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Montage M - What is the routing for RevSend and VarSend parms for drum keys since they use InsRev/InsVar and KeyRev/KeyVar?

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 Toby
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P.358 of the Montage M operations doc (p.124 of classic Montage reference doc) show TWO sets of 'Rev' and 'Var' parameters on the 'Effect->Routing' screen for drum parts.

At the top right of the graphics there are:

InsRev   RevSend

InsVar    VarSend

The 'InsRev' and 'InsVar' parms (used for drums keys that use an insert effect) are described in the doc as setting the signal level sent to the Reverb/Variation effect from the output of the Insert effect(s).

For drum keys that do NOt use an insert effect the parms are shown as 'KeyRev' and 'KeyVar' rather than as 'InsRev' and 'InsVar' but are described the same way.

But the drum part doc section doesn't mention the 'RevSend' and 'VarSend' parms shown on the screen. 

However, the graphic for normal parts (p.271 for M, p.67 for classic) show 'Rev Send' and 'Var Send' and the doc explains them the same way as the signal level sent to the Reverb/Variation effect from the output of the Insert effect(s).

Are the 'RevSend' and 'VarSend' parms on the p.358/p.124 graphics not used but they forgot to remove them from the screen?

If not what is the routing for 'InsRev' and 'RevSend' (and the 'Var' versions) and how do they work together?

 
Posted : 16/06/2025 8:43 pm
 Toby
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Can someone confirm for drum parts - for Reverb Send the parms InsRev and RevSend are used together.

InsRev is the amount of signal, from 0-127, that ALL drum keys routed to an insert effect will use.

This value is then scaled to fit the range, from 0-127, determined by RevSend. The resulting signal level is sent to Reverb. Of course the Reverb effect won't necessarily even be enabled.

1. InsRev = 127, RevSend = 0 results in a ZERO signal level sent to Reverb

2. InsRev = 127, RevSend = 63 results in a signal level of 63 being sent to Reverb (63 is 1/2 of the 127 max range)

3. InsRev = 63, RevSend = 63 results in a signal level of 31 sent to Reverb. InsRev => 1/2, RevSend => 1/2 and 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4, 1/4 of 128 = 32

Same calcs for Variation signals.

For KeyRev each key is handled separately. So for a 73 piece drum kit with 20 keys using an insert effect there will be 

1. 1 InsRev parm value for the group of 20 keys using an insert effect

2. 53 KeyRev parm values - one for each key not using an insert effect

The InsRev and KeyRev parm values control the relative level of those 54 values to each other.

The RevSend then scales those values to limit the contribution of the entire group to the input Reverb level while keeping the same proportional level between the individual values.

We think the above is correct but it would be helpful to have confirmation.

 
Posted : 16/06/2025 11:19 pm
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