I am not understanding why Yamaha has not already created good video tutorials for when the product is released.

The product has not yet been released.

I know Montage has not come out...

Ok, good.

That helps... That you know, I'm afraid things don't necessarily run on a perfect timetable, but until videos, in English, are made you can ask questions here, read the manuals, and generally try to be patient. You don't even have a Montage yet!

We look forward to your questions.

I agree with Ryan 100%. Get HD tutorial videos out to perspective buyer.

Are these only going to sold for 3 days?
You would think so from the perpetual whining and complaining from Ryan.
First he buys one without looking into the specs or asking enough questions and blames Yamaha when it isn't everything he thinks it should be.
Now he's mad because there aren't videos right this minute.

Phil. you must gave been a kindergarten teacher to have the patience it takes dealing with these
kids that have such a misplaced sense of urgency.

John wrote:

I agree with Ryan 100%. Get HD tutorial videos out to perspective buyer.

Oh? Right this minute? Are you going to stomp your feet too if they're not up here pronto?

Ryan, John, et al,

I don't think a lot of users appreciate the amount of effort it takes to bring a product to market, especially a complex software/hardware product like Montage.

First, I do not work for "Y", although I have been a clinician in the past (long ago). The Montage OS image has been in continuous development and as such it is a moving target. Now that 1.10 is OFFICIALLY released, Phil, Tony, Blake and others have a version that can be referenced for product support.

I think that a little perspective is needed by the users here. The Yamaha team has been in a full court press before and after Winter NAMM to get this product released.

A little courtesy and patience goes a long way in helping these hard working folks at Yamaha get the Montage "out of the chute" and into musicians' hands.

Take a moment, take a deep breath, and look at all the parallel development and testing that goes into something as substantial and evolutionary as Montage.

Please, get it into your presence and enjoy, gather the Gestalten effect of playing it and being in awe of what Yamaha hath wrought.

We as users are drinking from a firehose, the Yamaha support guys are facing firehoses at full stream from multiple directions simultaneously.
This contrivance is squared and cubed above any other previous synthesizer. You will get the necessary support in time, just drink it in the experience experience and have some patience. Yamaha has earnest desires for all of us to be successful for the investment they have made. Now is the time for us to "woodshed" and invest our efforts!

With all warm regards,

Craig

I just posted a workshop video.

Monsignor wrote:

Are these only going to sold for 3 days?
You would think so from the perpetual whining and complaining from Ryan.
First he buys one without looking into the specs or asking enough questions and blames Yamaha when it isn't everything he thinks it should be.
Now he's mad because there aren't videos right this minute.

Phil. you must gave been a kindergarten teacher to have the patience it takes dealing with these
kids that have such a misplaced sense of urgency.

Monsignor, if you understood my situation in life, you would possibly understand where I am coming from. If you want me to describe for you my entire life story, I guess I could. But you dont have a clue actually and are making comments based on nothing. Other people seem to agree. Wouldnt it be nice to know how to work something, by seeing others doing it and showing you how, before you get it, so then you are ahead? Others seem to agree. But please dont answer that, it is Rhetorical, I dont care. . . at all about your opinion. Thanks though.

david wrote:

I just posted a workshop video.

David, how do I get to the video you posted. Do you have a link? Thank you.

Craig wrote:

Ryan, John, et al,

I don't think a lot of users appreciate the amount of effort it takes to bring a product to market, especially a complex software/hardware product like Montage.

First, I do not work for "Y", although I have been a clinician in the past (long ago). The Montage OS image has been in continuous development and as such it is a moving target. Now that 1.10 is OFFICIALLY released, Phil, Tony, Blake and others have a version that can be referenced for product support.

I think that a little perspective is needed by the users here. The Yamaha team has been in a full court press before and after Winter NAMM to get this product released.

A little courtesy and patience goes a long way in helping these hard working folks at Yamaha get the Montage "out of the chute" and into musicians' hands.

Take a moment, take a deep breath, and look at all the parallel development and testing that goes into something as substantial and evolutionary as Montage.

Please, get it into your presence and enjoy, gather the Gestalten effect of playing it and being in awe of what Yamaha hath wrought.

We as users are drinking from a firehose, the Yamaha support guys are facing firehoses at full stream from multiple directions simultaneously.
This contrivance is squared and cubed above any other previous synthesizer. You will get the necessary support in time, just drink it in the experience experience and have some patience. Yamaha has earnest desires for all of us to be successful for the investment they have made. Now is the time for us to "woodshed" and invest our efforts!

With all warm regards,

Craig

Craig, I appreciate your response. I just am in a hurry to get into "the know", it is just vital for what has transpired in my life. I honest thank you for the response and perspective. I apologize for sounding so pushy, with a great amount of angst. Hope we can all help each other on here in the future.

Ryan wrote:

david wrote:

I just posted a workshop video.

David, how do I get to the video you posted. Do you have a link? Thank you.

It's here on this forum entitled "Montage workshop video". Scroll down the main page.

david wrote:

Ryan wrote:

david wrote:

I just posted a workshop video.

David, how do I get to the video you posted. Do you have a link? Thank you.

It's here on this forum entitled "Montage workshop video". Scroll down the main page.

Sweet. Thank you. I appreciate the quick reply. I am going to take a look. Have a good night. Much thanks again.

Ryan wrote:

david wrote:

I just posted a workshop video.

David, how do I get to the video you posted. Do you have a link? Thank you.

Ryan, shoot me your email address.

Seriously I love the inferred concept of the Montage but I am not sure who you are pitching this synth at.

I am a hobbyist producer who tends to surf forums like GearSlutz etc to read about new equipment that could possibly give me the edge and help me get a breakthrough track in the genre that I love. Hey the boy still dreams!!

I have brought gear such as eventide eclipse and access virus as well as a purpose built workstation PC.

I am on the lookout for a powerful synth that will take some of the pressures of my PC CPU and give me access to sound creating software that in all honesty defecates over what soft synths have to offer. I need PC connectivity that is simple and easy to use and I need it to have an instrument library that will stand the test of time.

The way I could possibly achieve the above would be for me to buy another powerful PC and link the two over a LAN connection. I’d estimate the cost of such a set up to be (including my orginal PC price) around £4500. The same cost as adding a Montage except I’d be running a Xeon server type set up most likely capable of providing the power to run huge mixes etc.

So far the Yamaha has been, I would argue, inadvertently pitching the Montage to users such as myself inferring that a Montage would remove the need to be completely in the box and share the processing load with a technologically forward synth that comes from a great pedigree.

The idea of 16 USB audio out with individual midi is a real game changer. I would bet that most small project studios wants to share the processing load.
Unfortunately there have been no videos demonstrating the 16 (or 8 or 4 or 2) audio channels USB integration in action, so really we just have to take Yamaha’s word for it. Meanwhile I could pick up a Kronos 2 and get 2 channels of audio via USB and while not ideal (in the sense of Montage having 16) the Kronos 2 looks to be more powerful has 7 synth engines and just as versatile as the Montage in terms of studio integration as well as being more established and having a sequencer.

Again having a video of the montage streaming 16 tracks (or 8, or 4 or 2) of audio via USB with individual data lane automation would literally dismiss any uncertainty, to those sitting on the fence, that the Kronos has the same or better DAW / studio compatibility than the Montage. Showcasing the Montage’s big selling point a week before it's on sale is something most would expect to see.

There has been a lot said about the sound design capabilities of the synthesis engine used in the Montage yet I have been unable to hear any truly ground breaking examples. I regularly check YouTube for sound design videos from the top synths (Dave smith, Korg, Roland, Access etc.) and am influenced by what I can hear, as are so many others. It would at this point in time (Yamaha is shipping) be invaluable to a perspective buyer to hear what the synth is capable away from the ‘side chain function’ the ‘Super knob’ and ‘Motion synthesis’. As an electronic music producer, please can I hear some growling bass, some analog bass, some searing leads with delays etc. I mean it’s being aimed (among others) at folk like me right?

Is it not viable to have EDM artists to spend some time with the synth engines and then to show case what type of sounds can really be created, and importantly, are relevant to the current musical trends?

Too much secrecy is never a good thing especially when the actual functionality many of us are asking to see are main selling points of the synth. These aren't hidden values that will be explored in time. These demos are the reason why I would take 2500.00 and purchase a Montage in these financial times.

Come on Yamaha the EDM producer folk with the money to spend are not children, we need concrete examples of why this synth is worth the money otherwise we will simply buy something else and in all likelihood several smaller pieces of gear to achieve the same (what we have seen so far) at less cost.

Help me spend my money please 🙂

T

Just a few points of order...

The idea of 16 USB audio out with individual midi is a real game changer. I would bet that most small project studios wants to share the processing load.

16 USB audio outputs would indeed be a game changer... The Montage then smashes the game because it provides 32 USB outputs.

The 32 outputs are configured as follows: the Main L&R, plus 30 assignable outputs. The assignable outputs can be configured as mono or in odd/even stereo pairs as you may require. This is more flexible than you might think at first. Each Part including the A/D Input Part can be routed through its own dual Insertion Effect and be routed to any of the outputs with those effects in tact.

From within a Drum Kit Part each Drum Key can be routed to any of the outputs as necessary, to accomplish isolated audio recording as you may require. The number of "technologies" is just a silly spec to base any decision on, how does it sound, is a much better criteria in my humble opinion. If you are new or unfamiliar with the capabilities of FM, we simply invite you to give a listen to Montage.

I don't think Yamaha has anything to prove with our audio and Midi connectivity to the computer - the past 15 years of Motif /MO stand as proof of concept... This connectivity is not only mature but solid and mature for more than a decade. Proper video production takes time, if that is what you require, I can only say that they will undoubtedly come out, in the meantime you can listen to others making hits with Montage, that may happen while you're waiting! 🙂

Montage is now (as of May the sixth) in stores, go play the instrument... That's the best way to find your "growling bass, some analog bass, some searing leads with delays etc" hurry, they are selling fast!

🙂