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Jim
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I really want to gig with my montage but right now my Kronos takes the cake and has setlist features I can't live without. Adding the ability to make notes per song would be really awesome, I use this feature a lot on my Kronos. Yes, something like setlist maker could possibly fill the gaps, but I don't want to have to take an iPad on stage. Thank you for considering this feature request.

 
Posted : 06/04/2017 4:34 pm
Christine
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I use the "Slot Name" field to store information about particular songs, it displays just below the preset name. There's not much space there, but it's OK for aide-memoires.

 
Posted : 06/04/2017 6:14 pm
Jim
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Thanks for the idea Christine, that could get me a little of the way there, but would be really nice having a small lead sheet reminding me of the chords when we take a fan request.

 
Posted : 06/04/2017 6:51 pm
Jason
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I'm guessing you put the lead sheet in the "Comment" area of Kronos's setlist?

In the picture that would be the area that reads "The SGX-2 engine provides control of lid position ..." which is a considerable amount of text relative to what is available in the Montage setlist.

My purpose for linking to the image is so there is some universal understanding of the mechanism available on Kronos.

For readability, I like the option to be able to switch to displaying only 8 or only 4 "slots" at a time with Kronos. Here's a blurb about that:

Source: http://www.kronoshaven.com/kronos-news/new-features-kronos-software-version-3-0/

Set Lists now support different colors for each Slot, to make them easier to distinguish quickly. Slots can now also be transposed individually.
You can make more room for comments by showing only 4 or 8 Slots at a time, or show 16 Slots so that you have the maximum number of sounds under your fingertips. A new Comment Panel, accessible by touching the comment area and swiping downwards, temporarily dedicates the entire screen to the comment. You can also choose different font sizes for each Slot’s comments, from small (to fit more text without scrolling) to ultra-large (for easy visibility).

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 06/04/2017 11:28 pm
Jim
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Correct, I use the description portion. Kronos has put a lot into the setlist mode aimed at the gigging musician. I too usually only display 4 or 8 songs and use the space for notes and lead sheet type stuff.

 
Posted : 10/04/2017 9:08 pm
Jason
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This is an area ripe for competitive advantage, for sure. Kronos "wins" today - but there are lots of possibilities still open to any vendor to leap-frog over the other or for Kronos to continue to hold the lead.

Tablet integration (providing a touch-screen equivalent of the touch screen on tablet) would be a 1-up. Adding, to the touch screen-on-tablet, a method for 3rd parties to add "plug-ins" that extend the functionality (like ability to add lead-sheet information, reformat the output to any number of performances in the list per screen, etc) would allow for customized interfaces that enhance the native offerings and provide the option to tailor the interface to different individual settings (pro live vs pro studio vs intermediate hobbyist vs basic beginner vs mad scientist vs ...).

I think always when you identify a gap the challenge is in not only filling the gap - but also, if you can, extending beyond.

One has to pick the battles dealing with limited resources (manpower, device intrinsic capabilities, etc). Seems like a few minor tweaks could at least allow for some catching up. An easy, but not ideal, solution would be to force a user to have a USB stick installed and place the setlist extra data there. Read a file (if it exists) off the stick for every page displayed. It's not a lot of data so at USB 2.0 speeds would be fast. Could just be a text file that a user could edit even to rearrange the setlist if they wanted to. Without the stick - the order would go back to internal and would no longer have the extended comment data.

If this were the solution, I'd get a low-profile USB stick that hardly sticks out the back (something like the SanDisk Cruizer Fit series) so it seems like an integrated solution that doesn't require me to remember to plug in/out a stick when I wanted this feature because I would leave the "fit" stick plugged in at all times except to edit the notes - which would be more easily done on a computer with any built-in text editor.

Just a thought . There are better solutions that do not involve any external hardware - but not sure where we stand on the system resource department to support the extra data.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 11/04/2017 2:25 am
Jim
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With regard to tablet integration, check this out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k16X_y9PXkc&t=4s

 
Posted : 13/04/2017 1:29 pm
Jason
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This is great for Kronos. Looking at the Kronos equivalent of Montage's Data List, one will find that Kronos MIDI has access to modify much more than Yamaha advertises. Kronos allows for making changes to the set list content and their documentation spells out the format of these items - at least enough to enable 3rd party development of apps such as the Kronos Remote.

Yamaha MIDI implementation is well suited for changing most parameters - but setlist and other file-system type actions are not documented as well as Kronos has. Therefore, one would be hard-pressed to develop a similar application for Montage.

The Kronos tablet application does nothing more than send/receive MIDI messages (SysEx) - but they were able to use Krono's documentation to do this:

https://shop.korg.com/Kronos/DocumentsSupport.aspx

(Later versions like version 3.1 - are available upon request to Korg)

Perhaps the same can be done with Montage - but "out of the box" - there's more public information available for the Kronos to accomplish these sorts of tasks.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 13/04/2017 10:14 pm
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