Awave is another cool program which can save to a lot of formats so you are kinda save in future if you change to another keyboard company. This program will convert your sample formats to a lot of others. On top of that, you can edit samples like on an audio editor. Awave costs about 70 Euros. An acceptable price for what it offers. Unfortunately, it is windows only.

On the other side, one doesn't really need a dedicated program to create waveforms in yamaha format. What you mostly need are audiofiles with created clean loops. That means, you need a program which has a so called loop crossfade function. In the good old days, Yamaha offered an editor with that functionality. In the present, an audio editor is needed. Wavelab Elements as a cheaper solution can do that job. Not sure about sound forge.

Once you have your single wavefiles, it is really not so hard to create the waveform (multisample) directly in the Montage.

Thanks Sladjan

Humm

@Joe
You shuld have a look on this tread.

https://yamahasynth.com/forum/still-no-vst-or-computer-software#reply-25566

@Sladjan
Have you made a multis sampel on montage?
Just saying.....u can not build a multisampled waveform on montage..

Thomas wrote:

@Sladjan
Have you made a multis sampel on montage?
Just saying.....u can not build a multisampled waveform on montage..

Fortunately you can. They didn't strip of everything from the Montage. For the beginning, let's just be clear about terminology: Yahamas term for "multisample" is waveform.

I'm not next to my montage, this is out of my head: When you edit a performance and go down to the element level, on the page where you select a waveform for the element, there is an option to select "new waveform" or "create new waveform" or something like that. This opens a new window and let you load samples in .wav format into the Montage and then you can build the velocity and keyrange zones for your waveform. The Montage recognizes the loop points of the samples but for some reason not the note value of the sample so you have to dial it in manually. But nevertheless, it's possible to create new waveforms on the montage, I have done it more than once.
Look at the manual p. 94. There is a picture how the screen of the montage looks like and you see the "new waveform" button.

Software from Chicken Systems ( https://www.chickensys.com/) also claims to do this. Unconfirmed from wide-spread sources and some say the software shows malware.

@Sladjan

Hi Sladjan

For the beginning, let's just be clear about it.
Montage is not a sampler.
And.
You can not build a real "multisampled" waveform in Montage without software.

Maby you shuld read this to...
https://yamahasynth.com/forum/still-no-vst-or-computer-software#reply-25566

In short for you information...

You can not Put base key the most important property imo of a real "multisampled" waveform!
"Tune Coarse" is NOT the same as set base key.
(orginal Key for one of your multi-sampled waveforms)
It is tune and will give you Donald Duck effect.

You can not set Start Point/End Point/Loop Point, you cannot set one shot, reverse, or loop.

Try make an AWE on a more advanced multi sampled sound.
(Not on a basic wave sound as Sinus, saw etc, try piano or a pad sound)

With a new sampled key/wave/sampel every sixth key.

I do wish it would be as you say, but it is not, unfortunately.

Thomas wrote:

@Sladjan

Hi Sladjan

For the beginning, let's just be clear about it.
Montage is not a sampler.

I agree, but I also never said anything different.

Thomas wrote:And.
You can not build a real "multisampled" waveform in Montage without software.

This is not really true. You have to understand that sampling is basically the process of recording an audio file. You can take your computer, put audacity or any other free audio editor on it and sample/record a wave or a couple of them. In that way you will have samples (not multisamples).
Now, that you have samples, you can import them into the Montage and create a multisample. I'm doing this all the time. I don't understand why you try to state something else! Again, I never said that all the process beginning with the recording can be done on the Montage.

Thomas wrote:Maby you shuld read this to...
https://yamahasynth.com/forum/still-no-vst-or-computer-software#reply-25566

Thank you for the link. I sample my own sounds for almost 20 years, starting on an Akai S2000 with that tiny screen. Believe me (or not), I know the process inside out. I know what is possible on a keyboard as soon as I read the specs list and look at the manual to see which editing tools are available for wave manipulation.

Thomas wrote:You can not Put base key the most important property imo of a real "multisampled" waveform!
"Tune Coarse" is NOT the same as set base key.
(orginal Key for one of your multi-sampled waveforms)
It is tune and will give you Donald Duck effect.

Fortunately, you can!
Here's the deal: it looks like that the Montage is unable to read the base key info out of a wave file. So it always assumes that the base key is C3. This is probably set out of factory. And YES, the "tune coarse" parameter is the solution for your problems. It corrects what the Montage wrongly assumes.

Let's try to elaborate:
Suppose you load a trumpet wave with base key C3 and you play it at C3. It will sound exactly as it was recorded. Now, if you load a trumpet wave with base key C4 and play it on the C4 key, it will not sound right because the Montage assumes that the base key is C3. With the "tune coarse" parameter you will correct this by dialing in +12 or -12, I'm not sure, but that "trick" certainly works because - believe me - I already created a dozen of my own multisamples on the Montage.

Thomas wrote:You can not set Start Point/End Point/Loop Point, you cannot set one shot, reverse, or loop.

You are right on that, but all those tools are tools for processing a single wave, not for creating a multisample. Besides that, I have to tell you, a Yamaha keyboard was never a capable sampler for doing the work from start to the end if you used more complex waveforms with loops. To create clean loops without clicks, you need a edit function called "crossfade loop". This function flattens the loop start and end points and removes any click which appears at the loop points because the single cycle wave at the loop start point doesn't match the wave at the loop end point.
Believe me, without the crossfade loop parameter, you will never be able to create clean looped waves of acoustic instruments. And Yamaha never had this parameter in the Motif line. So, even if the Montage could sample and process waves, it would most probably lack the crossfade loop parameter and you would still have to use an external software. The only keyboard which is really capable to process and prepares waves for multisamples these days is a Kronos.

Thomas wrote:Try make an AWE on a more advanced multi sampled sound.
(Not on a basic wave sound as Sinus, saw etc, try piano or a pad sound)
With a new sampled key/wave/sampel every sixth key.
I do wish it would be as you say, but it is not, unfortunately.

My point is:
You never was able to create looped samples on a yamaha motif anyway, with the exception of drum loops and very basic and simple waves where the crossfade loop process isn't necessary. So, in that regard, the montage is not worse compared to a motif. You have to use an external wave editor to prepare your samples. Once you have them, you can create a multisample in Montage by importing the waves and putting them together to create a multisample (while applying the "tune coarse" parameter to adjust the correct pitch).

Hi Sladjan

Thank you for your response.

Thomas wrote:
You can not build a real "multisampled" waveform in Montage without software.

Sladjan wrote:
This is not really true.

Thomas:
Yes it is. You can not!

Sladjan wrote:
I sample my own sounds for almost 20 years, starting on an Akai S2000 with that tiny screen.
Believe me (or not), I know the process inside out.
I know what is possible on a keyboard as soon as I read the specs list and look at the manual
to see which editing tools are available for wave manipulation.

Thomas:
I do believe you have made your samples for 20 years.
My first sampler was a brand new Casio FZ-1.

So it is strange to me you dont seem to know the difference between
"Corse"(tuning pitch) and "base key"(orginal sampled key/pitch).

When you are using corse(pitch) to map your multisampels you will get the
famous "Donald Duck effect".

Some times it is better to use your ears then the manual
to find limits or what you can and can not do with your synth or sampler.

Let's try to elaborate:
Sens you are doing this all the time.
Do it one more time.

Make an AWE on a more advanced sound.
Take sampels from a envolving pad sound with vibrato.
(Just to make the point and Not on a basic wave as Sinus, saw etc)

With a new sampled key/wave/sampel every sixth key.

My Point is:
You can not build a real "multisampled" waveform in Montage without software!
You can not map the original "sampled base key/pitch" in Montage.

"Tune coarse" is not the same as base/orginal pitch key.
And do not solve the problem.
It will not sound/be right.

This basic "base key" function should have existed in Montage, imo.
Especially sens you can set base keys when making drums.

Maby you used Awave when maping keys and have forgotten about it?

I do wish it would be as you say, but it is not, unfortunately.

Btw I love my montage, but i know the limits 2.

Have a nice day.
/Best regards

Hi Thomas,
ok, I did a test right now on my Montage. It shows: everything is perfectly fine with my ears. But let's start from the beginning:

1
Instead of creating a multisample, I sampled on my computer the first 30 seconds of a song. There are drums, guitars, piano and a lead vocal in it. I took this wave file because it has a rhythmic part so that I can hear if there are changes in the rhythm as a result of speeding up the file due to pitching it and - as you may know - the human voice is especially sensible to the munchkinisation effect.

2
Here are my results: I created an initialized solo part performance, turned of the reverb and went ahead to the first element of part one where by default is a piano multisample. I selected "new waveform" and loaded my sample - the first 30 seconds of a song. It loaded into the Montage.
When I play the key C3 on the Montage, the sample plays exactly as the original one. If I played on the key C4, it plays speeded up by one octave.

Now comes the most important part:

I set the "Tune Coarse" to -12. Now if I press the key C4, it reproduces the sample in the original pitch! No doubt about that. I checked it by simultaneously reproducing it on my computer. Even more, I tried an extreme setting:

I set the "Tune Coarse" to -36. Now, I played the key C7. That's 3 octaves away from the C3 key. The sample played back exactly as it did on the key C3 with the tune coarse parameter set to 0.

3 VERDICT

a) The Montage assumes for each loaded wave that it has the pitch C3. That means: every single wave you load into the Montage will play on its original key if you press C3 on the Montage.

b) The "Tune Coarse" parameter doesn't tune the sample by changing its pitch. This parameter actually just shifts the keys wich will reproduce the original pitch.

Thomas, you are doing something wrong or writing your statements without checking the facts on the keyboard. As I said, I created a couple of multisamples on the Montage and it is possible. You just have to adjust for every loaded sample the key base with the "tune coarse" parameter and forget for a moment what you think it does.

Here's the deal:
If you load for example piano_c3.wav into montage. It will play correctly right away because it is a record of the key C3 and it will play correctly on the C3 key of the Montage because Montage considers every loaded wave file as having the C3 pitch.
Here comes the important and confusing part: If you now load another sample, let's say piano_e3.wav, the Montage still thinks that the pitch of this sample is C3. So, when you play the key C3 with that sample, the piano_e3 sample will sound correctly and reproduce the pitch e3. But if you play the key E3 where you expect that sample to sound correctly, the Montage will actually shift the pitch of that sample for four notes higher and by pressing the key E3, you will actually hear your sample with the pitch of g#3. Why? Because the Montage shifts the pitch for the same amount as you moved away from C3, that is four notes (C#, D, D#, E).

What you have to do now is to set for the piano_e3.wav sample the "Tune Coarse" parameter to -04. That will correct the key base of the sample: it practically says to the Montage: "when I press the key E3, play the sample as it sounds on C3"! Remember, C3 is the key where the Montage reproduces the original key of a sample. In the same way, when you load an additional sample, piano_C4.wav, you have to set the Coarse parameter to -12.