Question is not clear... please read the following, hopefully it will give you some idea on how you can use the Pattern Scene function. It sounds like you have confused yourself on the best way to accomplish what you need. Each of the 16 Tracks can contain a Pattern Phrase. That Phrase can be from 1-256 Measures

A Pattern Phrase’s *record* Length is determined at the time you record it. During playback you can dynamically adjust the *playback* Length in real-time or by structuring the Pattern Chain.

Mastering MONTAGE: Scenes in OS 3.0

If you setup your Scenes to accommodate ‘live’ performing, you may have discovered that when recording a different thought process is necessary... if you would like a Part not to sound simply do not record anything to its dedicated Track. Every Part has its own Track that will document what you need it to do during this musical section of your composition.

A Track, each Part has its own, will be in record when you choose to communicate with it. This is why “Record Type” = Overdub is necessary anytime you are adding Tracks to your initial recording.

Thank you. Is it possible to record just one pattern and then copy it over applying different performance scenes with different arps etc to it? Maybe that is better handled in a DAW for what Im trying to do.

Thank you. Is it possible to record just one pattern and then copy it over applying different performance scenes with different arps etc to it?

I’m not completely sure what you mean by this... “one Pattern” = 8 Scenes (sections) each having as many as 16 Tracks.

Some how when you say “one pattern” I kind of get the feeling you mean something else. It is hard to tell you what you can and can’t do without knowing how you are viewing this feature.

To me you are thinking about Scenes as they were before version 3.0 — this is when Scenes stored a Performance’s condition... Where Scene 1 might be a certain set of Arps, while Scene 2 might be a different set of Arps, and Scene 3 might be another set of Arps.

This setup is great for real-time interaction... Scene 1 might be Verse, Scene 2 might be Chorus, Scene 3 might be the Bridge, etc.

Post 3.0 a Scene can now additionally *document* those Arps/Sections — this means the data is written to the tracks. You set “Key On Start” = On, and “Loop” = Off when transferring Arp Phrase to record Tracks.
An Arpeggio Phrase that has been documented/written to a track is no longer an Arpeggio. It now is no different than if you had actually played the data yourself. And you must stop referring to it as an Arp at this point, it is now Track data. It has been “printed”.

You can use the “Edit/Job” features to Append your recorded “printed” data... so if your format is always going to be Verse-Verse-Chorus, for example, you might opt to use the Append function to make Scene 1 that particular structure... increasing its Length. Remember: a Scene can be up to 256 measures in Length so you can “assemble” much of your composition in a single Scene. (Each set of Arps needed a separate Scene, printed data can be appended so that it can include what used to take multiple Scenes).

So when you ask “if you can” ... the answer is always going to begin... “well, sure you can if you...”
Documenting the Arps to MIDI data on the Tracks is committing to that data... You can now treat it as regular data now. Freeing the Arpeggiators to create new sections...

Learning to use the linear MIDI Song as the ultimate target for your Track data, will allow you to then use the looping Pattern Scenes to construct new sections (Scenes) and build more music with new Arp assignments. The APPEND, SPLIT, GET PHRASE, PUT PHRASE functions and the Pattern Chain function become very essential tools to learn to play around with... they allow you to move data back and forth between a linear structure and the looping Pattern structure, and to restructure the Recorded length of your Pattern SCENE

Can you do this kind of construction with a DAW? Well, yes, of course.
You can do it on board, you can do it with a DAW, you can use both (to whatever amount makes you comfortable). I can’t answer if it is easier for someone to do it a specific way... often experimenting is the best way to find what works for you.

A workflow using both would be to use the Pattern, Pattern Chain, and Song functions on board the MONTAGE to begin the construction of your composition. When you are ready to re-task the Arpeggiators... drag and drop your MONTAGE data into your DAW.

The MONTAGE hardware is now ready to assign new Arps, and to build more Scene/Sections, and to record more tracks...
You can drag and drop the results to the appropriate measure in your DAW.

To me you are thinking about Scenes as they were before version 3.0

Not necessarily the users' "fault" for using ambiguous terms. These are now - post 3.0 - inherently ambiguous.

Part of the problem in documentation/communication was generated by the choice to take a common term and re-use it for a new feature. Would have been nice for the marketing/terms team to see the confusion coming and renamed the new feature to avoid confusion. Kind of late now - but, in the future, worth running terms through the traps before committing.

I think I was pretty clear. I specifically said scenes to mean the scene function period and tracks to represent recorded track. All Im trying to do is record a 4 bar pattern 1 time ok? Then after doing that I want to play that recorded pattern over and over but be able to press the traditional scene switch to change how the sound sounds over that recorded midi pattern?

Is it possible?

Is it possible?

Yes, it is.

To do this, record or convert your data to a linear “MIDI” Song. Set the Loop = On, set the measures to the region you wish to play “over and over”. The eight Scene buttons behave as ‘traditional scene’ buttons... allowing you to change how the “sound sounds”.

That is one of many ways to use the Performance Recorder. A Scene is still a Scene. There are a few new wrinkles with the addition of the new Pattern (loop record) feature.

In 3.0 the role of the Scene has simply expanded. You are able to simultaneously “print” Arp Phrases and record direct interaction with the keys as events (it transfers the Arp Phrases to actual MIDI events in addition to recording any Parts set to respond directly to key input)... when using the new Loop Record feature — that’s what PATTERN is about.

What you are asking to do could be done before 3.0 by simply using the Performance Recorder’s MIDI Song - it has the ability to loop on playback. This allowed you to do exactly what you described... record your Arp data, then set the loop to play it over and over, this allows you to use the 8 Scene buttons to adjust the ‘sound’.

Scene “Arp Play FX” will no longer affect the now recorded data (they are not applicable). Any “Arp Play FX” that you have setup will be written into the event data, and the Play FX grid will be zeroed out.
_ To apply Play FX to ‘recorded’ (track) data, use the Pattern Sequencer which has the same “Play FX” for recorded Track data which can be “normalized”.

Hope that helps.

Thanks. That was I was looking for. If I want a really long song changing chords and so forth, I will have to record it for a long time in the midi recorder correct? I will probably record it in my DAW and then play it back on the Montage. My goal is to make a live performance but have my hands free to change the sound as it goes.

I recommend you record to the MONTAGE, initially, as it can document your entire recording — it is designed to capture you performing on the Motion Control Synthesis Engine. Move the data (drag n drop) from the Song Folder into your DAW for editing using MONTAGE CONNECT.