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In 1987, my then state-of-the-art Atari 1040 ran two music programs: Cubase and Notator.
Notator kicked Cubase's ass hard at that time and ever since then (in my experience).
Oddly enough, Yamaha's own QY (and later including MotifXS and XF) sequencers subsequently stole (oopps... shared) many of Notator's features.
By today's standards, each required and utilized minimal processing power to achieve outstanding MIDI and HD recording results.
EMagic's Notator Logic was subsequently bought up by some rube... yep that Steve Jobs flake.
Notator Logic ... all these years later ... is now Apple Logic X and Cubase is now Yamaha Cubase Lame. It is still so much more expensive and far less capable than Apple Logic X (again this is simply my own user experience).
Point here is: both of those 1987 sequencers were awesome.
Given the amount of processing power spec'd out in Montage, deleting a proper sequencer is just a "new rules" Bad Mister decision that makes this my last Yamaha purchase ever. I was anticipating a Kronos catch up software update strategy, but Yamaha "makes the new rules"
Rule me out from today.
This is a toy. I dusted off my old Korg Trinty V3 with MOSS board and it still competes with Montage in every area apart from polyphony and arps. The sequencer ROCKS and it still builds amazing 16 track remarkably editable productions, and the MOSS board albeit six voice points to and in some measure still surpasses Kronos, let alone Sir Simple Sample (plus woohoo FM) "leap forward" Montage.
Posted : 01/04/2018 1:24 am
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SEQUENCER!!! SEQUENCER!!! SEQUENCER!!!
OOPS I HAD A BM THINKING OF THE POSSIBILITIES
Yet BM has lost sight, as he stands fast and abides by the new rules which he has been commanded to obey
Serfing the sampled waves is the wave to the new rules
Serfdumb
Self serfice
New rules for new fools
Posted : 01/04/2018 1:41 am
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Serf-way says?
Posted : 01/04/2018 1:42 am
So you want the rest of us to suffer because you used to use built-in sequencers?
An external sequencer is always going to be the way to go. A temporary built-in sequencer, regardless of the machine, will never be able to compete with the full power of a dedicated sequencer package on PC.
It literally is an objective reality, and breaking free from this hold-over was objectively the correct decision by Yamaha (and it’s bizarre that you would blame a community manager (Bad Mister) for an executive’s (not Bad Mister) decision).
I don’t want my RAM and development time spent on a “basically it works” sequencer that I am never going to touch because it is objectively always better to be editing music and track details via mouse and keyboard.
If you are butt-hurt over it, then you aren’t the type of customer Yamaha needs, so have fun convincing yourself that another product is close to the Yamaha MONTAGE so you can better deal with what is clearly an emotional decision and not a rational one.
L. Spiro
Posted : 01/04/2018 2:25 am
In 1989 I had a pretty sweet sequencer in my Commodore Amiga (though, I always envied the built-in MIDI ports of the Atari ST). If you want a built-in sequencer you probably need to go back to a Motif XF since I doubt you'll ever see one in the Montage. The Roland Fantom G has an excellent built-in sequencer, plus a 24-track audio-recorder in RAM. Up until I moved to Apple Logic Pro X last month, that's all I used to record.
Posted : 01/04/2018 9:05 am
I went back to a Roland Fantom G, great built-in sequencer.
I use the montage for arps and as an external module alongside the Integra 7.
Leo
Posted : 02/04/2018 7:06 am
Shawn wrote:
So you want the rest of us to suffer because you used to use built-in sequencers?
An external sequencer is always going to be the way to go. A temporary built-in sequencer, regardless of the machine, will never be able to compete with the full power of a dedicated sequencer package on PC.It literally is an objective reality, and breaking free from this hold-over was objectively the correct decision by Yamaha (and it’s bizarre that you would blame a community manager (Bad Mister) for an executive’s (not Bad Mister) decision).
I don’t want my RAM and development time spent on a “basically it works” sequencer that I am never going to touch because it is objectively always better to be editing music and track details via mouse and keyboard.If you are butt-hurt over it, then you aren’t the type of customer Yamaha needs, so have fun convincing yourself that another product is close to the Yamaha MONTAGE so you can better deal with what is clearly an emotional decision and not a rational one.
L. Spiro
I totally agree with you. I have had the Montage for about 2-3 weeks. I started out with Cubase and decided to go back to Pro Tools. Event if the Montage had a full Midi sequncer (like the Kronos), I would have preferred to edit in Pro Tools. Therefore, starting off on the performance recorder and moving over to edit in Pro Tools works for me (for editing music and track details via mouse and keyboard). Montage is about the sounds, keybed and super knob.
Posted : 04/04/2018 6:02 pm
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Hey Shawn,
Explain please how the rest of you would suffer if we had a decent built in sequencer like the MOTIF XS and XF have... those are awesome "fire up and record" options.
Posted : 11/04/2018 5:01 am
what we need in the montage is a sequencer "block" dedicated to creating arpeggios, sort of like a mini-sequencer.. i'm sure yamaha could come up with that -- then i would never go back to my computer for editing..
Posted : 30/04/2018 6:41 pm
