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I stored different Superknob-positions in different scenes. Superknob is connected to cutoff of a sound-part. In scene 1 the knob is in max-position.

When I record a drum-pattern in scene 1 with the sequencer, the sequence allways sets back the Superknob to min. Also tried to record with Superknob in max-position. Doesn't matter. What is wrong?

ADDITION: solved at the end, read further!

 
Posted : 14/01/2023 7:59 pm
Jason
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See if this covers it:

https://www.yamahasynth.com/forum/when-using-the-sequencer-superknob-scene-settings-are-bypassed#reply-110538

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 7:59 am
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Doesn't.

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 11:06 am
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1) Recalled "Init Normal (AWM-2)" -- NOTE: Superknob defaults at 64 (not minimum) for this Performance. I left Super Knob there.
2) From [PERFORMANCE] (HOME) screen ...
3) Pressed record transport button (button under Super Knob with circle icon). The record button starts flashing (not recording yet, Super Knob still at 64 - which is "12 O'Clock" )
4) Pressed the play transport button (button under Super Knob with triangle icon). My lead-in count starts for one measure then I record. This defaults to 4 measure length and I left that alone. I record 4 measures of playing and spin the Super Knob slowly to the maximum position. I do not continue to fiddle with the Super Knob near the end of Measure 4 so I get a clean "exit".

... and when the pattern does loop - I hear my notes playing back, Super Knob is reset to 64 (what it began at, not minimum) and I see Super Knob travel slowly for 4 measures until it reaches the maximum value and then reset to 64 every time measure 1 is looped back and so on ...

5) I press the STOP transport button to exit out of recording.
6) I spin Super Knob to maximum because I want the next scene to default (on measure 1 first beat) to Super Knob = 127 (maximum) or full clockwise.
7) Press the "Edit Job" button to see the screen with all scenes and see scene 1 is recorded. I then press the 2nd scene button and see "Scene" changes to Scene 2. Still not recorded

8) I hit the touchscreen upper-left up arrow to return to the previous menu for recording the pattern
9) I press the record button again - it flashes, then press play to record scene 2. Countdown begins ...
10) Then I play more notes for 4 measures and slowly spin the superknob counter-clockwise back down to minimum. Again, I stop fooling with the superknob near the end of the 4th measure
11) When measure 1 loops back, I see Super Knob is now reset to 127 (maximum) and I see Super Knob spin counter clockwise as I recorded it.

Let me know if you cannot get this to work or if somehow I misunderstand what's not working for you.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 12:21 pm
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@Jason are you being deliberately disingenuous?

he's trying to get the recording to respect the Scene's ("Track's") recorded position of the SuperKnob, not create sweeps with it... which by doing you're knowingly activating a recording of the SuperKnob, hence creating some record of the SuperKnob. This shouldn't be necessary.

I know this problem, of the Pattern Sequencer not respecting the position of the SuperKnob during recording. I don't know (or don't remember) how to fix this.

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 12:32 pm
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No - my understanding is that every time the scene loops and resets to measure 1 his superknob is set at minimum and not the starting value. I'm just sweeping so I can I can see movement when it resets.

The key is that the Super Knob position isn't always resetting to the minimum 0 value. It's resetting to whatever it started with.

The fact that it resets to any given value (and doesn't just leave off where the last scene ended) is covered in the linked message. That's normal operation.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:01 pm
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I don't get how this is hard to understand unless you're avoiding discussing what happens.

If you happen to make a sound, and save a Scene with any arbitrary SuperKnob position, and Store that Scene with that arbitrary SuperKnob position... then save the Performance, then record a Sequence with the Pattern Recorder into that "track" (Scene), and link the Performance to the Sequence, the recording often doesn't have/respect/set that Scene recorded SuperKnob position on playback of that exact Track/Scene/Pattern.

In other words, everything was done right, but the SuperKnob's position, without overdubbing of movement of it, is not recorded at its position in accordance with the Scene that is the Track of the Performance that is linked to this Pattern Sequence.

This is extremely annoying.

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:27 pm
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Thanks Andrew. You got it!

I thought, Superknob-Movements are only able in MIDI-recording!?
As I said: I can do with the Superknob whatever I want. The recorded sequence forces it to 0.
Don't grip on this "zero"! It also could be 367.397. It resets! It resets to a point, that it grabbed at a certain time from a certain point.

It wouldn't be Yamaha, if not even more strange: it also changes to 0, when I tip on "Edit / Job".
Going back ... 0.

I got a rumor from outside, that it allways records in THAT position, that you used the first time recording.

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:28 pm
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If you save a superknob position to a scene and do not change the superknob position then that (anything from 0-127) recorded superknob position will be permanently fixed for that scene.

Set the Super Knob to what you want before recording and that's the reset value.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:34 pm
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[quotePost id=120023]If you save a superknob position to a scene and do not change the superknob position then that (anything from 0-127) recorded superknob position will be permanently fixed for that scene.

Set the Super Knob to what you want before recording and that's the reset value.
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The doesn't always work for the playback of the Pattern Sequence of this Track/Scene! That's the entire problem. And it more often than not doesn't work.

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:34 pm
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[quotePost id=120023]If you save a superknob position to a scene and do not change the superknob position then that (anything from 0-127) recorded superknob position will be permanently fixed for that scene.

Set the Super Knob to what you want before recording and that's the reset value.
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Nope ... N O P E ! ! !

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:35 pm
Jason
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That's ok - I couldn't get it to fail. Feel free to outline how I can do that. The (pattern) scenes all just assumed the values I started with before recording the scene.

I'm not a big fan of the overloading of "scene" but the other scene -- the scene memory stuff that's not the pattern-flavored "scene" has super knob memory turned off in the example I gave since Init Normal doesn't turn scene memory "on" for anything.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:39 pm
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Here the only answer from outside I got so far. I don't understand this, and not even google translation brings me forward. Perhaps you can understand what he is talking about.

"As I experienced in the past, the MODX software alwasys records the SuperKnob initial position for every recording you made. So if you don't want the SuperKnob to reset, you have to delete the appropiate event after all recordings."

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:39 pm
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[quotePost id=120027]Here the only answer from outside I got so far. I don't understand this, and not even google translation brings me forward. Perhaps you can understand what he is talking about.

"As I experienced in the past, the MODX software alwasys records the SuperKnob initial position for every recording you made. So if you don't want the SuperKnob to reset, you have to delete the appropiate event after all recordings."[/quotePost]

argh, this is giving me flashbacks.

I think you have to go into Jobs/Edit page AFTER you've recorded your Tracks/Parts and delete ALL events on the SuperKnob. If I remember rightly, this then causes the MODX to respect the values stored in the Scenes that are the Tracks, that are the Scenes, that are the Patterns... etc

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:44 pm
Jason
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Could mean that after recording and generating a final song you could edit the finished song and remove super knob changes if you wanted.

Say measure 1 was fine but measure 16 you have a scene that you accidentally recorded the wrong superknob value. So measures 16-19 (4 measures) have this wrong value then your other scenes reset to the "right" value - whatever that(those) is(are). Then you'd remove the Super Knob events from measure 16-19 (probably just measure 16 if you're not moving Super Knob midstream).

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 15/01/2023 1:45 pm
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