How the hell delete "Superknob-movements" out of a track? I even didn't touch the superknob when recording.

[quotePost id=120029]Could mean that after recording and generating a final song you could edit the finished song and remove super knob changes if you wanted.

Say measure 1 was fine but measure 16 you have a scene that you accidentally recorded the wrong superknob value. So measures 16-19 (4 measures) have this wrong value then your other scenes reset to the "right" value - whatever that(those) is(are). Then you'd remove the Super Knob events from measure 16-19 (probably just measure 16 if you're not moving Super Knob midstream).
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I think you're still not getting the objective, and the fail point.

If you pre-make and bake, and then save, several Scenes in a Performance, in anticipation of recording "Patterns" of each of these Scenes, and in the hope that the values of the SuperKnob (which are different in some of the Scenes) will be respected in the subsequent Patterns of the Scenes, you'll find that they're not. Only one value is, for all Patterns/Scenes.

So when you go to make a Sequence of Patterns to playback, you'd hope that your song plays back with Scene-like step changes of the SuperKnob to the appropriate values, but it doesn't.

I think, but am going from memory, that it does respect those Scene SuperKnob values once all the SuperKnob "events" (which were never created/recorded by the user as being the same value) throughout each Scene/Pattern are deleted.

IOW it's wrongly defaulting to "recording" a default value at the start of each "Scene's" Pattern Recording, rather than respecting the saved Scene's SuperKnob value.

As Babba says... how the hell did this become the way this is done... that we have to delete positions we didn't record???

It's the Yamaha Way™ striking again.

And where is the programmer of this? Call him!
Everytime I touch:
- Edit/Job - Overview or Play FX or Chain it resets from 127 (scene-default) to 0 ... Yamaha-CIA-default

[quotePost id=120032]And where is the programmer of this? Call him!
Everytime I touch:
- Edit/Job - Overview or Play FX or Chain it resets from 127 (scene-default) to 0 ... Yamaha-CIA-default
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Yes, this also infuriating. And there's issues with the Assignable Knobs, too. And the way they're recorded into external DAWs as well (different but similarly troubling issue)... sometimes proffering spam-like positional choices into the onset of recordings... sometimes not. Just to mess with the user, it seems.

I know this pain, all too well. My sympathies and commiserations!

It's about touching superknob before the recording. Set to to whatever you want the scene's superknob position to be. The comment about fixing this is (the line in your research you quoted) if you "mess up" and (however it happens) record a scene with an unintended Super Knob value.

Editing the final pressed song isn't the only way - but I think it's what your quoted message was getting at.

[quotePost id=120034]It's about touching superknob before the recording. Set to to whatever you want the scene's superknob position to be. The comment about fixing this is (the line in your research you quoted) if you "mess up" and (however it happens) record a scene with an unintended Super Knob value.
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We want it to be what it is in the Scene we're recording the Pattern into!

This is most easily determined before the scene exists as the value you initialize.

I do wish the sequencer capabilities from previous gens was available where events could be surgically edited. This would, at least, make the recovery less of a headache.

[quotePost id=120036]This is most easily determined before the scene exists as the value you initialize. [/quotePost]

What does this mean?

This is not about ONE Scene. It's about an entire workflow for recording the different Patterns of a song, each represented by a Scene. Scenes that are pre-made to be appropriate for each corresponding portion (Pattern) that will ultimately make up the Song's Pattern Sequence, as sequenced in the Pattern Sequencer.

IOW... fuller usage of the Pattern Sequencer as a Pattern Sequencer....

Thanks Andrew 😉

Think about the rumor I mentioned. Yamaha takes the SN value from the first recording you are doing!?

Doesn't help me. Because need both values. That would mean ... in my current project ... I will never be able to arrange it! And I was so proud having worked around that "overlapping" sequences are not possible 😉

Clever as I am I will do the Standard-Yamaha-Workaround for all insufficiencies: add a new part

The 8th/8 part is still free. One more Yamaha-crap should not occure, or I am done 😉

You've got 8 (pattern) Scenes. 8 possibly different reset Super Knob positions or they can be the same. Before you record the (pattern) scene Super Knob is at a position. That's the reset position recorded into the (pattern) scene.

If you need more than 8 reset positions of Super Knob then you could record patterns for sections (comprising of multiple p-scenes) and then generate a song and then import that and build from there.

Jason... Jason, Jason, Jason *lol

Try it yourself. Make 2 scenes. Store one with SN max and the other with SN min.
Then record a PATTERN in one scene. Go to the other scene and record a PATTERN ... not MIDI or something else. PATTERN!

Tell me, what happens at your machine. Everything okay? Variable SN-Values?

Perhaps I should do this now too, so to find out, where this "(p)reset-level" is coming from. At me there could be other reasons too. I change the performance while progressing with the recording.

If you failed to initialize the "right" value and have an existing scene you want to change the reset Super Knob position - then it's easier than saving a song file and editing that. Instead:

1) (From Pattern record screen) - Touch "Edit/Job" in touchscreen
2) Touch "Song/Event" -> "Erase Event" menu
3) Pick the scene you want to fix, touch "Auto Select" to enable it if not enabled - spin the Super Knob. Now Superknob events will be erased
4) The measures should start at Measure 1 Clock 0 and can end at Measure 99 Clock 0 (just some measure past the end of the sequence if you want to clear out all -- likely it will only be the first measure if superknob isn't moving during the scene)
5) Re-Record over your existing scene (press transport record button - which arms the recording but doesn't start it). While armed, pick "Overdub" instead of "Replace"
6) Move the Super Knob to whatever new position you want to initialize the Scene to.
7) Press the Play transport button to start recording. You can stop after the first measure. This will place your new Super Knob position into the scene.

BTW: I started my own attempt to reproduce your issue by creating 3 scenes. Worked like a charm.

It works! Really ... I am estonished, surprised and glad ... it really works.

I use my performance and started a new pattern. Recorded 2 scenes, SN presets. Every track with the preset SN. Changed SN preset in a 3rd scene, recorded, works. Changing scenes while playback ... all as it sould be!

So it is quite a mystery, why it doesn't work with my previous pattern. It is "contaminated" somehow. The only reason can be, that I extended the performance while recording. I am still searching for this highly praised "workflow" 😉

Thanx folks

If you already recorded a scene then you poisoned the well, so to speak. But you can use my previous guide to patch those values.

Jason ... thank you for this tip. I tried it out to erase this SysEx called data ... I never ever put in. In the contrary! I also recorded with SN on max, and the result was "SN on min".

Just another "Yamaha-experience". Somehow I am doomed.

Anyway. Functions well this deleting! Saves me from recording all my patterns anew.

What I will never ever accept are "justifying" sentences. This simply should not happen. By which argument ever ... this is not a super-clever-hyper-feature out of Einsteins brain. It shouldn't happen. That is my point of view!