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Urgent: Can User Arps contain chords, yes or no?

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manolo
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boy, i desperately hope so. if not, i´m going to cancel my order for a Mon6. i thought i would get at least some kind of workaround for pattern sequencing with the ability to create 256 user arps. without the possibility to record chords within user arps the whole purpose would be obsolete.

 
Posted : 10/09/2016 1:25 am
Gabi
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yes it can, don´t cancel your order

 
Posted : 10/09/2016 7:20 pm
manolo
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are you sure? according to chris, it doesn´t work:

Chris wrote:
chord patterns in a custom arp pattern do nothing - it only plays single notes always. Not sure how Yamaha made their strums arpeggios on the Montage.

https://www.yamahasynth.com/forum/brief-user-arp-creation-step-by-step#reply-12206

 
Posted : 11/09/2016 1:58 am
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Well I tried and it played chords. Gotta set it to orgnotes and it plays all the notes.

 
Posted : 11/09/2016 8:00 am
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Gabi wrote:
Gotta set it to orgnotes and it plays all the notes.

hm, interesting. but “fixed note” should work also, according to this...

If you record a musical phrase and use the convert type “Fixed Note”, that phrase will play exactly as recorded every time it is triggered.

https://www.yamahasynth.com/resources/arpeggios-explored/303-arpeggios-explored

• PUT TRACK TO ARPEGGIO: This Job copies data in the specified measures of a track for creating Arpeggio data. Up to 16 unique note numbers can be recorded to the Arpeggio track. If more than 16 different note numbers have been recorded to the MIDI sequence data, the Convert operation reduces the notes in excess of the limit. Because of this, be careful to record only up to 16 different notes when you create an Arpeggio

https://www.yamahasynth.com/resources/arpeggios-explored/303-arpeggios-explored

so in theory one can create an user arp that contains 16 simultaneously played notes, right? could you please try that?

 
Posted : 11/09/2016 9:23 am
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Lol, not gonna work unless I play with hands and feet at the same time. And even then I doubt I could actually hear 16 simultaneous notes and count to check if theyre all there.

 
Posted : 11/09/2016 10:59 am
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gabi wrote:
not gonna work unless I play with hands and feet at the same time.

not true. use

and record notes one after the other, instead of simultaneously. then create an arp out of it. should be possible, don´t you think?
anyway, thanks.

 
Posted : 11/09/2016 12:11 pm
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wow, I didn´t even see you could overdub! so cool. so why are people complaining so much and saying the recorder is useless? it can overdub!!!

ok so I tried with overdubs and it works, the arp will play 16 notes at the same time.

as far as the fixed mode, it will also record chords but the notes will stay the same always. the arp will not move up and down along with the keys you press. I think fixed mode is for drums . so that when the arp plays certain drum sounds of a drum set on they keyboard they stay the same no matter what key you hit.

 
Posted : 12/09/2016 6:28 am
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Gabi wrote:
I tried with overdubs and it works, the arp will play 16 notes at the same time.

wow, good to hear. thanks.

Gabi wrote:
why are people complaining so much and saying the recorder is useless?

well, some important features were missing. basic functions like copying or erasing midi data have not been implemented. 'copy' would be super-convenient for repeating the same phrase several times, e.g. a chorus. where's 'loop record'? so far one can not record repeatedly over a specified area. that sucks big time. so far officially only simultaneous recording of all 16 tracks is allowed.. an impossible task with only one pair of hands. yea, there is the 'smorenburg workaround'.. smart but still cumbersome. the fact that one is not able to fix mistakes made during a recording is a shame. it would be so easy to erase single notes by pressing the corresponding keys. there is no point in all of that because we are talking about simple midi data, not memory-intensive wav files. for comparison: a minute of compressed audio adds up to around 10 megabytes of data, while a minute of sound translated into a set of midi instructions only takes up 10 kilobytes. but even though yamaha made life unnecessarily difficult for people who want to use the recorder as their main sequencing tool (myself included), there is still hope that an update of the recorder is in the works...

 
Posted : 12/09/2016 8:04 am
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it always depends what you need. I am already happy it can record at all, so I don´t have to turn on the computer to record a quick idea. I never had a synth workstation, always worked with DAW. But maybe people who need a workstation shouldn´t buy the montage cos it´s just not sold as a workstation.

 
Posted : 12/09/2016 11:13 am
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