Alexander wrote:

Where can I see the arpeggio description of the Hybrid type? In the DATA LIST it is not clear what MA_Hybrid1 differs from MA_Hybrid20 or from MA_Hybrid1CF3.
I correctly understand that in the last column of the DATA LIST when describing arpeggios such as Cntrl are the commands of the CONTROL CHANGE?

For example:

Cntr Filtr 7762 Gate Cut1 4 / 4 4 120 (CC#10,71,74)

means that the controllers:

10 PAN
71 HARMONIC CONTENT
74 BRIGHTNESS

Is it possible to see somewhere inside such arpeggios?

Thanks!

You can record the Output of the Arpeggiator to a MIDI Track in Cubase, which can give you a graphic readout of the Controller data.
Cubase allows you to create automation from the cc messages which can be copied and applied to other Parts

In general, there is no documented notation of the arpeggio data, be it a Note ARP or Controller ARP. The best way to audition any ARP, especially the Hybrid/CTRL Types, is to hear them applied to the sound you are using. The difference between Hybrid1-Hybrid20 would be different rhythmic patterns - variations. Those with 'CF' in the name are specifically changing "Brightness" (CF = Cutoff Frequency) the number following indicates a different variation.

As is often the case, an Arpeggio is as much about the rhythmic content as it is anything. So truly the best way to know what an Arp phrase is going to do is to listen to it. Arp data can be offset in realtime using the Unit Multiply, Swing, Gate and Velocity offsets. So you can create a different "feel" for the phrase whether it is Note data or CC messages.

I have already tried to save the results of such arpeggios in DAW. But I see the result of the work. What's inside the "black box", remains a mystery 🙂 Maybe with a John Melas Waveform Editor I can see the original contents of the arpeggio? It will be a pity if there is no way to find out what's inside the factory arpeggios. Information about the device to factory arpeggios really would help build their arpeggios. It would be understandable how the developers of the MOXF saw its use by users.

I answer myself to my question 🙂 John Melas Waveform Editor does not allow you to download the preset arpeggio from the synthesizer. Preset arpeggios are not saved in the X6A file.
It's sad 🙁 It turns out you can buy a piano. You can buy CDs with records. But there are no textbooks on playing the piano. It is offered to learn to listen to recordings on compact discs 🙁

Maybe Offtopic, but it's the closest discussion.
I don't understand why CNTR arpeggios don't work on every sound and how to create my own arpeggio for controllers (like pan or cut off).
I'll be clearer:
I own a MOXF, as I reset the machine I have the Performance user1:005 Pumping station MW
In this performance the third voice (Trance MW) is modulated by the arpeggio CNTR - EXPRS 7893
By ear I notice it affects the pan.
If then I want to use the same pan effect to another voice, let's say the Full Concert Grand, I go to voice mode, I activate the arpeggio and choose the 7893 type.
As result I hear nothig. If I use, instead, the same arpeggio on a synth Bass (like 3 VCOs Pre3:050) I hear the panning effect.
Why it doesn't work with the piano?

Furthermore, I'd like to ask how to create my own control arpeggio. If I go to pattern mode, I record a single note of piano, then I overdub the pan effect (movin from left to right in one bar). Then I press edit and delete the note, so that I have just a bar with a pan movement, not notes. Then I go to Job, Track, Put track to arp.
I get, once more, an arpeggio panning effect that works on the 3VCOs but not on the Full Concert Grand.

So, how can I create a user arpeggio that works on every voice?
Thanks
Luigi

Thanks for the question.

The subject of Arpeggios is one with more facets to it than you might think. One of them (that you are missing) in this is the KEY MODE. The Key Mode determines whether the Arp Phrase Data is going to instruct the tone generator to play certain Note-On messages to play or if it is going to allow the Key-On messages to sound and the Arp Phrase Data is applied to the sound.

In one instance, the notes you actually press are used to “instruct” the Arpeggiator what tones to “play”, in the other the notes you play sound normally and the arp data (Controller) is applied to the sound. When the Arpeggiator is “sorting” the the notes, your direct key presses are not causing sound. Key Mode = Sort; When the Arp data is Controller data, then you hear yourself trigger sound normally.

Therefore, when an Arp is a CTRL Arp, the KEY MODE must be set to “Direct” in order for controller data in the Arp Phrase to manifest.

If the Arp Phrase contains Expression cc11, or Pan cc10, or Cutoff cc74, you cannot hear any of these in the absence of sound... therefore the Key Mode must allow the “Direct” sound to pass through... so the control data can be realized. Panning in the absence of sound is meaningless, Expression in the absence of sound is meaningless.

In a normal note Arp Phrase the Key Mode setting blocks your direct key presses from sounding, instead it analyzes the Keys you have pressed and “intelligently” generates a musical phrase from that analysis (but importantly, the actual notes you play may or may not be a part of the resulting phrase... because the direct trigger is blocked. The Arpeggiator is literally generating the Note-On events for the tone generator.

If you want to create your own CTRL ARP simply Record the Controller data to a track and convert it. You will observe the CTRL Category Arps make no Note-On events, they are just Knob, Slider or Pedal movements.

To apply a CTRL Arp you must set the arp’s Key Mode = Direct
This way what you play is heard while the Arp applies the Controller movement.

The Arp Phrase in question, when Output to a Sequencer is a pulsing cc11 that raises and lowers the volume rhythmically, and every quarter Note you get a cc10 Pan message first a cc10 = 0 placing the signal hard Left, alternating with a cc10 = 127 on the next quarter note sending the signal hard Right; that’s what makes the sound jump so immediately between channels. So a combination of Expression and Pan to create the “pumping” movement.

You can create cc messages manually by turning Knobs or recording pedal movement; or by drawing them in your favorite DAW, or you can step enter events into the Sequencer. For example, there are thirteen Expression events before the Pan event on the quarter Note, then thirteen Expression events before the next Pan event, and so on. Many of the CTRL Arps are rhythmic in nature and will, of course, adjust to tempo changes.

The Key thing (pun intended) is CTRL Arps contain no notes, and use the KEY MODE = Direct.

Thanks for the question.

Great BadMister, thanks for everything you do for us