Still hoping for an answer on this.

I was able to save the voices to Melas tools - and then reload them back to MOXF with stability - and it worked!

BUT....

The arps did not seem to transfer - and since in some cases the arp is actually what makes the voice work - I'm kinda hoping to get the arps too.

Any help?

jb

Sorry, was not in my studio to see what you're seeing. In general, the arpeggio is not apart of the Voice, it is something that is attached to the Voice. An arp can be attached to any Voice, and any Voice can have any arp attached to it. It is always a temporary attachment, not really apart of the Voice itself. So it is one of those "parameters" or extras that can be copied by using the "Parameter with Voice" selection option.

The Melas Waveform Editor keeps the attached association between the Voice and its arpeggios, so that when you copy a Voice from one library panel to another the association should be maintained. It will automatically bring along Waveforms and Arpeggios. We are not certain what exactly you are doing, but wanted to check to see if there was some way NOT to copy the arpeggios when assembling libraries.

I have not tried exactly your direction - starting with a MOXF file - as far as I know, the ability of the Melas Waveform Editor to import data from a MOXF file is limited to Voice data and Waveform data, I do not see a way to import Arpeggio data from a MOXF file. Certainly from a Motif XF file. It is designed to transfer Motif XF to MOXF.

You might want to contact John about arpeggios originating in a .X6A file rather than a .X3A file.
He would certainly know about the ability of the Editor being able to keep Arpeggios attached, currently they only seem to remain attached when the data originates in a Motif XS/XF file.

Thanks Phil! You are confirming my experience.

I have a couple more things to try - and if they don't work - I'll write to John

Thanks for taking time to answer! I really appreciate it!

jb

Hi John,
it's just like Bad Mister already mentioned. Currently John Melas Waveform Editor does not support any arpeggios during X6A file import. In other words, MOXF arpeggio data cannot be recognized and converted yet; therefore they also will not be resaved in X3A or X0A format for further use. It seems the MOXF arpeggio format (and the X6A format in general) is somehow too unexplored at the moment, otherwise John Melas would already have implemented the full functionality in his tool, including the "native" support of all related MOXF file formats (full open/save instead of import only).

In my latest email conversation with John related to that topic, he replied to me with the following explanation:

Hello Martin,

Full MOXF file support is an open issue, unfortunately the format seems very complicated and different from XS/XF.

This is the reason Arpeggios cannot be read now and also Waveform Editor cannot save X6A format.

Kind regards,
John Melas

That should also answer your related questions you raised at Motifator.com. Personally I'm also hoping that the "missing link" will be found soon in order to ensure full interoperability between the three formats XS, XF and MOXF. Maybe Yamaha can help John Melas here a little bit to spot the differences in all these formats?

Hi Martin -

Thanks for your reply - and for the quote from John...

It's less frustrating to know that I've hit the wall with the tools' capability - rather than something being wrong with my keyboard or the software.

Here's hoping that MOXF arps will one day be able to transfer!

Blessings!

johnb