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Moxf sharing driver with Yamaha 01v96i

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My problem is that my digital mixer goes offline when I use my moxf editor.
I would like to know if perhaps there is a setup tweak that I am not tweaking or if there is an issue with using both products on the Yamaha Steinberg driver. For instance, I setup the moxf editor and sync to Cubase and the 01v drops out as a controller and will only come back when I disconnect moxf and reload the driver. Any thoughts?

 
Posted : 13/11/2021 12:25 am
Jason
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Even if you had two products from different manufacturers with different drivers - the OS architecture only allows one audio interface at a time unless you setup an aggregate interface in Mac or on the PC add another driver layer like ASIO4ALL (which has performance implications).

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 13/11/2021 4:08 am
Bad Mister
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My problem is that my digital mixer goes offline when I use my moxf editor.
I would like to know if perhaps there is a setup tweak that I am not tweaking or if there is an issue with using both products on the Yamaha Steinberg driver. For instance, I setup the moxf editor and sync to Cubase and the 01v drops out as a controller and will only come back when I disconnect moxf and reload the driver. Any thoughts?

The item that allows the computer to handle audio input is called the Driver (and like in a car, there can be only one driver) any other arrangement must work around the fact that a computer needs to look to one place for Audio Input.

Either the 01v and the MOXF can be be your audio interface… but only one of them can do the actual job at a time.

An Audio Interface is the device responsible for D/A and A/D conversion. Takes in digital audio via USB (allows the computer to record it) and it takes digital audio out from the computer and converts it to analog signal that you can feed to your speakers (so you can hear it).

As you can probably tell, only one of the devices can connect to your speakers at any one time… so only one of these two products can be in the Driver’s Seat (so to speak) at a time.

The cryptic response above can mislead you into thinking you can have multiple audio devices as inputs… For example, on a Mac, you can build what is called an Aggregate Audio Device… basically, it allows multiple devices to send digital audio into the computer (it ‘fools’ the computer into thinking it’s one big audio input)… but even with this type of setup you realize that only one of them can feed your speakers at any one time. This device becomes your principal audio device.

You must tell your software application (DAW) where the audio is coming from, and very importantly where the audio is going to be sent to be heard. Hearing yourself, called ‘monitoring’, is obviously important in this type of recording scenario.

Typically, the principal audio device is the one that does the heavy-lifting… conversion of signals going to the computer and signals being routed to your speakers. It’s in the middle of everything!

In a useful configuration, you can connect the ANALOG audio outputs of the MOXF to two channels of the 01v (it being the mixer) with lots of inputs can do all A-to-D conversion for recording audio to the computer. It would then send a stereo output to your monitor speaker.

In another configuration, you could connect the Main L/R outputs of the 01v to the A-to-D inputs on the MOXF and use it as your principal audio interface. All the channels of the 01v would be mixed down to a stereo send, and routed on to your computer using USB Ports 1/2 on the MOXF. The MOXF would use USB 3/4 for itself.

The point is, most newbies believe that SETUP IS HARD, and therefore they convince themselves that there is only one way to setup. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is hard, but there are many, many ways to configure your setup. And it pays to master as many as you can!

You can design your own workflow to best suit your needs.

My recommendation:
Learn to use the 01v to record. Setup your 01v as your audio interface… connect the analog Main L/R Outputs of the MOXF, to a stereo paired set of inputs on the 01v… get comfortable using it as the INPUT mixer and OUTPUT device to your speakers.

Next learn to use the MOXF as a standalone audio interface (great for when generating music backing tracks first)… learn how to setup and use the MOXF to record you music tracks. In a lot of home studio situations, it is almost criminal to have tons of inputs when in fact you are not using them simultaneously. Mixing consoles are designed to take in lots of audio channels, simultaneously, and route them to your recording device.

The MOXF is a 16-Part synthesizer when used in the Song/Pattern Mixing modes. It has the ability to route all musical Parts to either USB 1/2 or USB 3/4 (Dual stereo outputs). Example, you might plug a dynamic microphone into the MOXF and feed it to your DAW on one pair of USB outputs, while you accompany yourself on the synth which you route to the second pair of USB Outputs.

This same thing could be accomplished by plugging your microphone into the 01v, plugging the analog outputs of the MOXF to channels on the 01v and do all routing from the mixer.

But if you don’t simultaneously play and sing, there is no need at all to do them simultaneously. A most common workflow in recording studios around the world (both big and small) is to focus on recording the music tracks FIRST, then in overdub sessions add the vocals and other parts later.

You want to have several setup configurations under your belt — so that you can choose the one that will work best for YOU.

Given that reconfiguration is not only possible, but it’s desirable — you want to have access to which of your two audio interfaces is going to connect to your speakers (act as the principal audio interface).

You might lay down the basic rhythm tracks using just the the MOXF
Later, because you want to use a condenser mic (requiring +48V phantom power) you might setup to do the overdub session with 01V.. yes a single Project can be the result of using different audio interfaces for different overdubs. For your own sanity’s sake you should pick a Sample Rate and stick with it throughout your Project — pro DAWs like Cubase allow you “hotswap” audio interfaces mid session (this means you switch audio interfaces with closing or powering down your equipment…

We cannot get specific because you don’t mention what type of computer, nor do you mention how many musicians are going to be recorded at once (or is it a one-person studio), you don’t mention the version of DAW, nor the version of 01v (yikes, I hope you mean one of the later ones… the 01v goes way back more than 23 years and would predate the series being a recording mixer… so you either have an 01v96 or hopefully, an 01v96i

The 01V96i is basically an 01V96 outfitted with the latest technology, multitrack recording capability, advanced VCM effects, and a refined high-performance head amp section, to meet the needs of today's demanding live sound applications. A USB connector supports 16-channel audio input and output, and can be directly connected to a computer running Steinberg Cubase or similar DAW software to allow multitrack recording via a single cable.

We’re going to go ahead and assume this is what you have… you will find attention to details like model numbers and version numbers is one of the things you will need to be very on top of — I tell musicians right up front: Computers are not designed to do music. As far as MUSIC is concerned they are designed to PLAYBACK music and they can actually do a good job of RECORDING

Where it falls apart for the basic computer is the functions musician’s want to take advantage of…specifically OVERDUBBING (which is a combination of playback + recording) requires “extra stuff” (drivers, configurations, setups, version-matching) to make sure you have the proper extras to teach your computer what it needs to do.

Why? Playing back music is EASY. Imagine you hit the Spacebar on your computer to playback an audio file. It takes 200-300ms for the file to start, hardly noticeable to the civilian computer user — now imagine you attempt to play along, and you hit the keys and have to wait 200-300ms to hear yourself. You literally cannot play under those conditions.

This is where your computer (no matter how mighty) needs HELP. Enter the low latency ASIO Driver, external audio interfaces, separate monitor speaker, etc., etc., a low latency driver can lower that gap to just a few ms (if you can get under 10ms you’ll be happy).

Take your time
Master setup and recording on each device alone
Teach yourself how to combine them, when/if necessary.
Remember MultiTrack recording was invented by Les Paul (yes, the guitarist)… multitrack recording was multiple passes on his electric guitar and multiple overdubs of his wife, Mary Ford’s vocals. Ultimate small studio setup. One recording layer at a time… overdubbing.

Having 20 channels of input (01v has 16, MOXF has 4) and you are using just one or two or maximum 3 at a time, might be overkill. Look for the most efficient way to accomplish your goal. If you have multiple musicians recording simultaneously, you can simply broaden your scope — but begin by mastering each device.

 
Posted : 13/11/2021 9:45 am
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Thank you for your response. I am slightly embarrassed as I am by no means a newbie but an enthusiast who loves writing and recording his own music. Fortunately I also kind of love the techno tweaking stuff too. While not very well versed at it, I do have a fair amount of patience for turning knobs and resetting after wrong directions.
This instance ran me up against my lack of understanding of the relationship of the driver to the device and the DAW. I appreciate the insight and believe I get the fact that only one device can have the driver in order to act as interface to the computer. I also can extrapolate a bit of what you said to determine that the driver will "assume" the device will be used as interface even if it is not, so sharing is not possible. I was hoping the way I am using the two products would possibly work. I use the 01v as audio interface with the moxf plugged in as an instrument.
What I want to be able to do is use the editor to control the moxf from the DAW as I was doing with my former setup. Former setup was MOTU mk3 interface with moxf plugged in and operate moxf from editor for sounds and to use remote weighted keypad controller. I just picked up the 01v and love everything about working with a digital mixer instead of the MOTU and have spent several weeks getting everything setup the way I like. The only problem is I cant use the moxf editor as I did before. I also love Yamaha products and can see myself getting something else I will eventually plug in and possibly want to be able to control via some form of editor software.
Does all this leave me with any hope of working with the moxf the way I was with my former setup?

 
Posted : 13/11/2021 12:50 pm
Bad Mister
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Does all this leave me with any hope of working with the moxf the way I was with my former setup?

Although I’m not totally clear about how you used to work (?) … if all you are doing is swapping the 01v96i for the MOTU, I don’t see why not.

 
Posted : 13/11/2021 2:14 pm
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