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Problem getting assignable knobs to output the right MIDI CC messages

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I am trying to configure my MOXF6 one of my assignable knobs to output CC31 on Midi Channel 1 so I can control the Master Fader on the Behringer XR18 digital mixer. I sort of got it working once, but now the only CCs output are always on Channel 3, which controls the Behringer but not master fader (which only responds to Channel 1).

I see the "Ch" tab and have set that to "1" but it doesn't make any difference.

Isn't it possible to set the Assignable knob to a generic output like this?

In effect I'm trying to use my MOXF as a Midi control surface so I can get rid of my separate Midi controller. It seems like the controls are really locked down, however.

Help please!

 
Posted : 27/12/2015 8:03 pm
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First thing to understand is your MOXF has different Modes: Voice mode, Performance mode, Song/Pattern Mixing mode, Master mode, and DAW Remote mode.

In Voice, Performance, Song/Pattern Mixing modes, the Controllers (including the Assignable knobs) are all about addressing the internal MOXF tone engine. So these would be poor chooses for controlling an external device that needs some specific cc number being set other than the defaults.

Master mode is the mode where the MOXF is designed to address both internal and external devices as you may require.
DAW Remote mode is the mode specifically for use with Cubase, LogicPro, Sonar, and Digital Performer... There are also specific templates for controlling VST plugin synths.

Hopefully, you are using MASTER mode as this seems most appropriate for what you describe. Sorry, I don't know anything about what the Behringer device requires but you can assign whatever cc you need (001~095, with the exception of 032) to a knob, on whatever MIDI Channel you require. At the same time you can address the internal tone engine if required.

In Master mode you have four discreet Zones. A Zone can address internal or external devices on any Midi Channel... Each Zone as two Knobs (upper and lower) that can speed set to send any cc message as you require.

You don't say what mode you need internally from the MOXF or if you need it at all but to set up Master mode
Press [MASTER]
Press [F2] MEMORY
Here you can select the mode and program you need internally
Press [F3] ZONE SWITCH
Set the switch ON to activate the Zone function - here you can also set ON the Knobs to follow the settings you make in the Master mode setup. You can create 128 of these Master mode programs.

Press [EDIT]
Press [1] to view Zone 1-4 parameters
The [F1] - [F5] buttons will let you setup the various zones

For you external (EXT) device create the settings you need... You will find a way to assign the Zone's Knobs as you require. If you get stuck, post back here.

 
Posted : 27/12/2015 9:41 pm
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Hi Phil - it is very nice to be in touch with you again. As usual, you have solved my problem. I was in SONG or VOICE mode, not MASTER mode. That made the difference. It is working now. Thanks again.

Best, David

 
Posted : 27/12/2015 10:28 pm
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Hi Phil - I guess I have a few follow-up questions for you after all.

I see that a MASTER program includes the pointers to one of the other modes (VOICE, SONG, etc.); is there any way to configure MASTER MODE as a sort of "master" to any pointed-to mode regardless of type? I guess what I'm asking is if I want to output CC31 to my external target do I have to configure a separate MASTER program for each of the underlying modes (say, MASTER 1 for VOICE 1, MASTER 2 for SONG 1, etc.)? It seems like there must be a way to configure it once for all the underlying modes, but perhaps not?

Also, I am confused about the Bank/Program Change screen in the ZONE settings when I am trying to configure externally. I want to output CC31 (to control my target) so I presume I leave the Bank/Program Change at the default? (I get the xxx-yyy-zzz formatting but it seems like it is just internal). The confusion here is the use of "CC" to refer to the external CC31 and the fact that the xxx-yyy is also a CC.

Finally, I have one SONG with a MIXING setup wherein I have have different instruments for PARTS 1-.... When I configure MASTER mode for this SONG, I only get the PART 1 to work; when I switch to the other PARTs for other configured instruments nothing happens (except that the MIDI output changes to the Channel (e.g., PART 2 = MIDI Channel 2).

As you can see, I'm having some configuration issues:) The CC31 output command does work with my target device.

Thanks, David

 
Posted : 29/12/2015 6:05 pm
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I see that a MASTER program includes the pointers to one of the other modes (VOICE, SONG, etc.); is there any way to configure MASTER MODE as a sort of "master" to any pointed-to mode regardless of type? I guess what I'm asking is if I want to output CC31 to my external target do I have to configure a separate MASTER program for each of the underlying modes (say, MASTER 1 for VOICE 1, MASTER 2 for SONG 1, etc.)? It seems like there must be a way to configure it once for all the underlying modes, but perhaps not?

It is designed so that you create a different Master setup for each scenario. That's why there are 128 of them. So a separate Master for each scenario.

You can program your first one... Then when you are ready for your second simply navigate to the [F2] MEMORY and just change the target Mode and Program... When you press [STORE] simply advance it to the next number location. This, in effect copies your assignments, and simply changes the associated Memory location. Make tweaks as necessary.

Also, I am confused about the Bank/Program Change screen in the ZONE settings when I am trying to configure externally. I want to output CC31 (to control my target) so I presume I leave the Bank/Program Change at the default? (I get the xxx-yyy-zzz formatting but it seems like it is just internal). The confusion here is the use of "CC" to refer to the external CC31 and the fact that the xxx-yyy is also a CC.

The a Bank Select (which uses cc0 and cc32) and Program Change (it's own separate category of Midi command) can be /must be activated in order for them to send anything. That's true for the INT and separately for the EXT ZONES. The fact that Bank Select is also a cc message does not interfere.

You'll find the BANK (TG) and PGM (TG), and the BANK (MIDI) and PGM (MIDI) parameters in the ZONE EDIT area under [F3] TX SW (transmit switch)... These default to OFF. If you do not turn these ON no Bsnk Select or Program Changes are sent by recalling this Master.

Finally, I have one SONG with a MIXING setup wherein I have have different instruments for PARTS 1-.... When I configure MASTER mode for this SONG, I only get the PART 1 to work; when I switch to the other PARTs for other configured instruments nothing happens (except that the MIDI output changes to the Channel (e.g., PART 2 = MIDI Channel 2).

Sorry, it is not clear what the issue is here.
Song/Pattern Mixing modes are the only modes where the MOXF receives on multiple Midi channels, simultaneously.
Master mode is the only mode where the MOXF keys transmit on multiple Midi channels, simultaneously.
Therefore only when your Master is associated with a Song or Pattern can you transmit to separate Parts of the tone generator... Each Part having its own knobs and setup, via its own Zone.

If your Master is associated with Voice, only one Voice can be accessed via one of the four Zones.
If your Master is associated with a Performance, all four Parts of that Performance will be addressed by a single Zone (all Parts of a Performance receive on a single Midi channel.

Hope that helps.

 
Posted : 30/12/2015 5:16 am
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