Not exactly the same question - the conditions are different. However, the solution can be similar.

Although scene buttons are "locked out" while using the recorder - you can send a SYSEX command to force the scene change from an external MIDI device. The MIDI message is the same as mentioned in the other threads:

F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 30 4C 00 ss F7

Where "ss" is the scene number minus 1. Scene 1 = 0, Scene 2 = 1 ... through Scene 8 = 7

Note that the recorder will also record this scene change - so if you do not want that in the resulting MIDI file then you'll have to go back and filter it out with some MIDI editor on your computer. Not sure what the ARP records - might record the SYSEX as well.

It is not clear from your question whether you are recording to the Montage or an external DAW. You need to ensure that System Exclusive data is not being filtered by your DAW (often this is the case), and make sure your DAW can record System Exclusive messages

As of tomorrow's firmware update (1.50) you will be able to select a CC number for Scene commands, making them much easier to manage and edit.

FYI - the CC messages and/or System Exclusive messages that address the Montage tone engine maybe merged to Channel 1 in your particular DAW (or programs some separate the Sysex messages).

Bad Mister wrote:

As of tomorrow's firmware update (1.50) you will be able to select a CC number for Scene commands, making them much easier to manage and edit.

Ableton users will love this. Live does not record Sysex but does CCs. Good move Yahama!

I don't know how a pro DAW does not deal with System Exclusive... this means you can't even playback GM files or address gear directly, creatively. Shame, users should pressure them for updates. Imho

yes indeed, sysex was off, that´s why it didn´t work, in Cubase Elements. As for CC number in the new firmware, I really dont know what that means, but I hope things will still work without me knowing what that means

The volume sliders, pitch bend, mod wheel, etc .. use CC. These are a more standardized set of messages since all keyboards do volume, pitch, modulation. SysEx (System exclusive) is the wild west. Other than two bytes which frame SysEx - it's pretty much open season. Every keyboard can have its own "language" for SysEx and the messages can be short or very long. When using a DAW as an echo for Montage-sent MIDI messages - if Superknob uses SysEx or CC will be transparent as long as the DAW echos everything. In cases where you "forget" to turn off the SysEx filter - now superknob (using CC in fw 1.50) will be passed. So maybe something else which still uses Sysex like assignable knobs will be the new obvious frontier of things that "break" when forgetting to turn off the SysEx filter.

Assignable Knobs send cc17-cc24, always have...

FADERs send Sysex when sending ELEMENT/OPERATOR Levels.

As you point out, faders change messages depending on the modes - but so do assignable knobs. Assignable knobs have always sent SysEx under certain modes (not always CC). In fact, when in global assignable knob mode - which is what happens when you press the [PERFORMANCE] (HOME) key - assignable knobs assume the global mode (ones directly controlled by the superknob in <1.50 firmware) which results in SysEx.

If using the more general term "Knobs 1-8" - then there are even more modes where SysEx may be sent depending on the non-[ASSIGN] modes (Tone, EQ/FX, ARP/MS)

assignable knob 1
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Global mode (i.e. no part selected - to get into this mode, from home screen press the performance name OR press the [PERFORMANCE] (HOME) button which will default to global assign mode):
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 30 40 53 nn F7
NOTE: for each assignable knob 1-8, the "53" before "nn" is:
knob1=53, knob2=54, knob3=55, knob4=56,
knob5=57, knob6=58, knob7=59, knob8=5A

Part 1-8 Mode:
CC: Bp 11 nn (same as Part 1-8 mode)
Where "p" = part selected (0-7. So B0=Part 1, B7=Part 8)

Part 9-16 Mode:
CC: Bp 11 nn
Where "p" = part selected (8-F. So B8=Part 9, BF=Part 16)

Element/Operator Mode (press [PERFORMANCE CONTROL] then a PART SELECT 1/1-8/8 button):
CC: Bp 11 nn (same as Part 1-8 mode)
Where "p" = part selected (0-F. So B0=Part 1, BF=Part 16)

[TONE] Mode:
CC: Bp 4A nn

[EQ/FX] Mode:
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 31 0p 55 nn F7

[ARP/MS] Mode:
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 31 0p 72 nn nn F7

assignable knob 2:
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Global mode - follows assignable knob 1 pattern
SYSEX: see knob1, replace with this knob's 5x number

Part 1-8 Mode:
CC: Bp 12 nn

Part 9-16 Mode:
CC: Bp 12 nn

Element/Operator Mode:
CC: Bp 12 nn

[TONE] Mode:
CC: Bp 47 nn

[EQ/FX] Mode:
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 31 0p 57 nn nn F7

[ARP/MS] Mode:
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 31 6p 08 nn F7

assignable knob 3:
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Global mode - follows assignable knob 1 pattern
SYSEX: see knob1, replace with this knob's 5x number

Part 1-8 Mode:
CC: Bp 13 nn

Part 9-16 Mode:
CC: Bp 13 nn

Element/Operator Mode:
CC: Bp 13 nn

[TONE] Mode:
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 31 0p 4E nn F7

[EQ/FX] Mode:
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 31 0p 59 nn F7

[ARP/MS] Mode:
SYSEX: F0 43 10 7F 1C 02 31 6p 14 nn nn F7

assignable knob 4:
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... and so on - not going to map out all 8 under all modes.

There may be a cut/paste error for the data - but the "is it CC or SYSEX" is correct for each.