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Phil
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Hello. I wish to update to 1.6 but the update instructions state that libraries can not be backed-up. I may have lost some of my libraries. Why in this day, a modern synth can not backup the complete contents.

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 9:53 pm
Joel
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Hello, if you are on OS 1.50 or 1.51 you can save a backup file witch contain all your user and library data in one file.

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 10:12 pm
Jason
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An X7A backs up your libraries.

Backup File
File
.X7A
Data that is saved to USB flash memory as a backup file can be loaded to the User Memory again. A backup file includes all User data, Library data, and Song data.

What is not backed up are presets which see the most "rip and replace" in the preset Live Set. Performances and other presets from version to version just add to content - where Live Set content appears to showcase the current performances which are new.

Live Sets take seconds to make - so there's nothing really lost here except for having quick access to whatever Yamaha saw fit to showcase in the Live Set for each firmware version.

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 10:13 pm
Phil
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Thank you Joel and Jason.
Jason. I'm not aware of the term "preset" in Montage. other synths efx processors, yes.
If you are saying that I will lose the live set?

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 10:19 pm
Phil
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Also, must I reload Library files again first and then load USER files

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 10:37 pm
Phil
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This is what updater instructions state:

Updating Procedure

NOTICE:
All User memory (Library data, User data, User sample and so on) will be initialized by this updater.
Please make sure that you save all User data to a USB flash drive before performing this update.
Library data cannot be backed up. Please prepare the original library data.
In addition, when you load backup data, load libraries first before the user data.

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 10:39 pm
Jason
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"Preset" is a bank type:

Preset, User, and Library are the three types.

The Presets are what you cannot delete. They are embedded in the firmware. When you initialize the instrument to factory settings - this clears away all libraries and user content. But you cannot delete presets (internal waveforms, internal performances, internal live set, internal arpeggios, etc).

Libraries are more permanent than user content - but you can still delete libraries. Typically paid/free expansion content is delivered as a library because you can load this without touching your user area and also because the content is "done" (not in flux) in terms of programming so the library area makes sense. The library area cannot be modified once you install it except for wiping the library. User content is the most nimble. You can delete/modify user data one-by-one. Once you've "perfected" the user area - you can promote it to a library if you want to make it more permanent.

Take a look at [CATEGORY SEARCH] and look at the options for the "Bank" filter.

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 10:45 pm
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This note about libraries and having to prepare them pre-dates the 1.5x firmware where .X7A was added. I believe there is a cut-and-paste issue here with the instructions. It should read something along the lines of "if you currently have a firmware less than v1.50, then you'll have to do the old library prepare stuff - if you have v1.50 or newer, then use the X7A backup method to save and restore your libraries."

I guess some firmware version could "break" library restore - but I doubt this is the case as the note is the same in older firmware versions before X7A existed.

Lack of end-to-end documentation updates (readme, reference manual, etc) certainly causes unnecessary churn in the support effort.

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 10:51 pm
Phil
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Got it. Thank you for your time

 
Posted : 08/09/2017 11:22 pm
Phil
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Jason, all my live set were fully restored. To be precise, everything was as it was before update so, What did you mean by stating...

..."What is not backed up are presets which see the most "rip and replace" in the preset Live Set. Performances and other presets from version to version just add to content - where Live Set content appears to showcase the current performances which are new.

Live Sets take seconds to make - so there's nothing really lost here except for having quick access to whatever Yamaha saw fit to showcase in the Live Set for each firmware version".

 
Posted : 15/09/2017 6:33 pm
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Presets are not backed up in your X7A file. Presets are part of the firmware so they do not need to be backed up in an X7A file. From firmware version to firmware version - Yamaha may change the presets (preset performances, preset arpeggios, preset live sets) meaning they may add new ones - may remove old ones - may modify/tweak them.

What we have seen thus far is that performances are just ADDED to - not replaced/deleted. The performances - according to a couple of users - have been "tweaked" to change the MIDI addressing (MSB/LSB+PC) for performances. This is in the "tweak" department.

Live sets (remember: PRESETS - meaning what comes with Yamaha when initialize the instrument -- none of your stuff) have been "rip and replace" according to some users who say there are live set PRESETS that feature firmware updates in some earlier firmware (1.51?) that no longer exist and have been replaced with new live set PRESETS to feature the new spiralizer effect. I'm going by user reports here.

So I was saying if you depend on the PRESET live sets -- it'd be best not to and to pull what you need into a user live set instead. Just use presets for reference and make your own copies of everything to avoid any deck shuffling from affecting you no matter how you use the instrument.

Your particular use may not care about some of the details of what changes behind the curtains - or you may only be referencing user content (not presets) when you say "everything" was still there.

And keep in mind "everything" is kind of hard to casually test for considering the thousands of presets in arpeggio/live set/performance presets (combined).

The sky is not falling - but there are corner cases which have affected some users. Using an X7A is your best bet for ensuring no hiccups from firmware to firmware version. This is as you have seen.

 
Posted : 15/09/2017 10:34 pm
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