Hello David - tend to agree - there isn't a Yamaha Forum for Tyros/Genos, for some reason. I've been trying to MIDI my Tyros 3 with Montage, but my Montage 7 refuses point-blank to record all A/D input (auto-accompaniments) and my Tyros 3 only has 61 keys, so isn't suitable to drive the Montage 7. I can find out very little about the Genos - no tutorials or functional reviews, only sound demos which are alright but hardly useful in a studio situation. Being nowhere near any music store I have to rely on the internet for information - and there isn't any. I want to know what Genos owners think of it, how they use it, what snags are there and so on. Then I might very well buy one to replace my Tyros ...

I agree that yamahas need to judge what makes a synthesizer and what doesn't is kinda ridiculous and completely unnecessary. However, this is the montage forum and topics about genos - if they are unrelated to the montage - don't really belong here.

Hello Sladjan - you are quite right, of course - a Montage Forum is for Montage users. The problem is that there isn't a Genos Forum - nor indeed a Tyros Forum - an entire genre of very costly machines ignored. There are 3rd party Forums, but frankly they're pretty hopeless. I would hope that Yamaha will consider the launch of a new machine costing well over £4000 Sterling well worth starting a Forum for it - and include the Tyros series as predecessors. It would generate a lot of interest and contributions - and those always generate new sales.

Why isn't there a Tyros, now Genos, thread on here...?

There are threads for the CP1, CP4, etc...

G wrote:

Why isn't there a Tyros, now Genos, thread on here...?

There are threads for the CP1, CP4, etc...

The CP1 and CP4/CP40 Stage are in the Music Production Department (a part of the Pro Music Division) along with the MX Series, MOXF Series, S-Series, and MONTAGE.

The Tyros and Genos are in the same department with PSR-E and PSR-S Series, Clavinovas, P-Series, Arius Home Digital Keyboards, etc... (a part of the Keyboard Division)

So the answer is simply a matter of the portion of the company - Tyros and Genos are in a different wing of the company. Thanks for the question.

G wrote:

Why isn't there a Tyros, now Genos, thread on here...?

There are threads for the CP1, CP4, etc...

The CP1 and CP4/CP40 Stage are in the Music Production Department (a part of the Pro Music Division) along with the MX Series, MOXF Series, S-Series, and MONTAGE.

The Tyros and Genos are in the same department with PSR-E and PSR-S Series, Clavinovas, P-Series, Arius Home Digital Keyboards, etc... (a part of the Keyboard Division)

So the answer is simply a matter of the portion of the company - Tyros and Genos are in a different wing of the company. Thanks for the question.

G wrote:

Why isn't there a Tyros, now Genos, thread on here...?

There are threads for the CP1, CP4, etc...

The CP1 and CP4/CP40 Stage are in the Music Production Department (a part of the Pro Music Division) along with the MX Series, MOXF Series, S-Series, and MONTAGE.

The Tyros and Genos are in the same department with PSR-E and PSR-S Series, Clavinovas, P-Series, Arius Home Digital Keyboards, etc... (a part of the Keyboard Division)

So the answer is simply a matter of the portion of the company - Tyros and Genos are in a different wing of the company. Thanks for the question.

The Genos
While I was quit motivated at first to purchase one. I decline
Because Yamaha. Does not let you edit the sounds. Like a Korg PA4X and others.
This is somebodies. Crazy fear at Yamaha. That Hopefully. You will just Buy both the montage and the Genos.(not going to happen!)
First Musicians. Are In General Short of $ in the first place. So most Would be Lucky to purchase 1 or the other.
Then Yamaha. Does not want Comparisons of arrangers. So no Forum.
Sorry But For $5500 USD. It had better include the kitchen sink! And it falls way short of that.
I am pretty sure. I can get a Montage. To do anything. A genos can(Except the New algorithms).
And God. I never want to work with a Sequencer. When I can work with a DAW instead.
Now the Very Near. Natural Drum Sound from the Genos. Is a real advancement. for an arranger.
But this was Done By EZdrummer Years ago. And I suspect. This is what Korg is Fixing in their next update for the PA1000 and PA4X.
Should have been done long ago. But really. The boxiness fix. Does not go far enough. It needs that Human. Not perfect on time Hit. Like a few MS before or after.
I fix this. With a Humanize Program.
But Back to my first point. Let us Edit sounds. This is the big thing. That is missing from the Genos.
Very few Musicians. Have both an arranger and a Great Synth. 2 worlds apart for most.
I how ever Compose songs. And This is when I use an arranger. To hear it played With a Full band. Or cut a demo. The rest(most ) of my Time. Is spent with the Montage.

I think the busy website group PSRtutorial.com is seen by Yamaha to serve as the 'official unofficial' support group for Genos, or at least it was up until Tyros 5. Tyros and Genos are just the high end of PSR. Before the original Tyros there were hi-end priced PSR's like PSR-9000 Pro.

And i think Yamaha believe it serves for best business to keep users of arranger synths and traditional (for want of a better term) synths separated. After all, a lot of synth users seem to laugh at arranger users, deeming them to be merely for remedial untalented people who need lots of "backing styles".

Somebody could come along on PSR tutorial and ask the same thing.. "Why isn't there a section on the forum for the new Montage? Yamaha are losing business for not having one". Again, I don't think that is so. The separation of the two types of keyboards user bases somehow seems to work in Yamaha's favour- and perhaps also the favour of the user bases. It has to be so, because of course Yamaha would love if you purchased both.

Also, while I think there is ignorance from certain synth users about arrangers (fascinating machines that can do a lot of complex stuff..at least the higher ended ones), it may remain true that a certain part of the arranger market are people who might be at risk of feeling muddled if they purchased a synthesiser (and vice versa).
That is how I read the situation anyway. Leave both markets separated and in a natural competition with each other.