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Daniel
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I did not pay attention till now to the effect talking modulator, I try to program it either linked to the aftertouch or with a ms lane. Maybe I am wrong but you can choose only one vowel and you cannot program a sequence like A A IO AaEee etc  you have access to one preset called basic one. So is there a workaround?  maybe Yamaha was thinking to add more presets?. It will be great to have this kind of possibilities + some plosives, just dreaming 🤩, some improvement of this effect in the new montage line?

 
Posted : 22/06/2024 6:14 pm
Jason
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Take a look at Motion Sequence as the source of modulating this effect.

 
Posted : 22/06/2024 6:40 pm
Darryl
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I assigned the 'Vowel' destination to Asgnknob1 for changing the 'formants'.

So if Talking Modulator is in Insert A, then under Control Assign of the Part I choose Ins A > Vowel for the Destination, AsgnKnob 1 for the Source and adjusted the Polarity = Bi, Ratio = -49 and Param 1 = 5

 

Note that I saved the Talking Modulator setting as follows when saving the Performance:

Vowel = u

Move Speed = 34

Drive = 0

Output Level = 64

 

I also saved the Performance while the Part's 'Assign Knob' value was at 64 (pointing up on the dial at 50%)

 

Hope this helps as a starting point...

 

 
Posted : 22/06/2024 11:16 pm
Daniel
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Hi thanks 

it is what I did but with aftertouch and also with motion sequencer apply to a boys choir, for sure formant was evolving but I could not really heard clearly sequences thru all vowels, like  a e i o u etc…I will try again with a knob. I have to check this performance in montage where we can clearly hearing a e i o u sequence. But anyway no chance to program any order and timeline of vowel, it will be only one choice, the basic one I guess.

 
Posted : 23/06/2024 6:46 am
Darryl
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Posted by: Daniel

Hi thanks 

it is what I did but with aftertouch and also with motion sequencer apply to a boys choir, for sure formant was evolving but I could not really heard clearly sequences thru all vowels, like  a e i o u etc…I will try again with a knob. I have to check this performance in montage where we can clearly hearing a e i o u sequence. But anyway no chance to program any order and timeline of vowel, it will be only one choice, the basic one I guess.

I'm not sure about the aftertouch and motion sequencer applied to boys choir, as maybe you are referring to one of the other videos that you provided..!?

I am specifically referring to the video you provided that had a e i o u vowels via a Talking Modulator type of effect.

This One:

https://natakaelis.bandcamp.com/album/the-cry-of-the-ppg-infinite

I don't believe that video's audio clip had much choir nor using aftertouch, although technically you could probably assign the change of Vowels to aftertouch instead of an AsgnKnob...

 

Note that there is also a filter changing or something going on with some of the sounds in that video, as well as the "Talking Modulator" effect.

Additionally, one of the sounds also has a unison effect on it.  You can either use the Unison effect 2 or 4 voices on the AN-X or on any of the 3 engines use the "Symphonic" Insert B effect under Chorus with LFO Speed = 0.34Hz, LFO Depth = 40 and Dry/Wet = D<W63

(maybe also set the EQ Low Gain = +7dB & EQ Low Freq = 180Hz)

 

If you want to be able to switch them with a button (like 'Scene' buttons), you could have the AsgnKnob linked to the SuperKnob so that you can adjust via the SuperKnob, and then under Scenes set Scene 1 SuperKnob to On with a value that fits for the Vowel you want it to be.  (As an example set Scene 1 SuperKnob = 0, Scene 2 SuperKnob = 42, Scene 3 SuperKnob = 64, Scene 4 SuperKnob = 100, Scene 5 SuperKnob = 127).  This was you could switch between Vowel sounds using the Scene Buttons & via using the SuperKnob!

 

 

 
Posted : 23/06/2024 7:47 pm
Jason
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The most control you'll have over the sequence of modulation - or at least the easiest to program - would be to use a motion sequence.   It gives you 16 different "steps" to hone in how a parameter or parameters are modulated over time and does this automatically after being triggered.

 

You could also do something similar by say moving the mod wheel from "all the way down" to "all the way up" slowly -- or whatever speed suits you.  Using user curves to dial in 8 different steps.  Going this route gives you less "steps" and is also not automatic (unless the source is superknob and you use superknob automation).   Although if you only need 8 steps in your sequence - then this is a way to get it done.   Mod wheel was given as an example source controller but really anything that works for you can be used. 

 

And both of these suggestions can target multiple destinations at once.  You may want to use a different parameter rather than the vowel which may give you more sound shaping possibilities to make it sound more like a morph.

 

I don't know if Yamaha is planning on bringing back formants (FS1R) and RCM (YS99) which would be an interesting combination for shaping choir samples. 

 

 
Posted : 24/06/2024 3:17 am
Daniel
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Posted by: Darryl

Posted by: Daniel

Hi thanks 

it is what I did but with aftertouch and also with motion sequencer apply to a boys choir, for sure formant was evolving but I could not really heard clearly sequences thru all vowels, like  a e i o u etc…I will try again with a knob. I have to check this performance in montage where we can clearly hearing a e i o u sequence. But anyway no chance to program any order and timeline of vowel, it will be only one choice, the basic one I guess.

I'm not sure about the aftertouch and motion sequencer applied to boys choir, as maybe you are referring to one of the other videos that you provided..!?

I am specifically referring to the video you provided that had a e i o u vowels via a Talking Modulator type of effect.

This One:

https://natakaelis.bandcamp.com/album/the-cry-of-the-ppg-infinite

I don't believe that video's audio clip had much choir nor using aftertouch, although technically you could probably assign the change of Vowels to aftertouch instead of an AsgnKnob...

 

Note that there is also a filter changing or something going on with some of the sounds in that video, as well as the "Talking Modulator" effect.

Additionally, one of the sounds also has a unison effect on it.  You can either use the Unison effect 2 or 4 voices on the AN-X or on any of the 3 engines use the "Symphonic" Insert B effect under Chorus with LFO Speed = 0.34Hz, LFO Depth = 40 and Dry/Wet = D<W63

(maybe also set the EQ Low Gain = +7dB & EQ Low Freq = 180Hz)

 

If you want to be able to switch them with a button (like 'Scene' buttons), you could have the AsgnKnob linked to the SuperKnob so that you can adjust via the SuperKnob, and then under Scenes set Scene 1 SuperKnob to On with a value that fits for the Vowel you want it to be.  (As an example set Scene 1 SuperKnob = 0, Scene 2 SuperKnob = 42, Scene 3 SuperKnob = 64, Scene 4 SuperKnob = 100, Scene 5 SuperKnob = 127).  This was you could switch between Vowel sounds using the Scene Buttons & via using the SuperKnob!

 

 

there is no montage in this music: https://natakaelis.bandcamp.com/album/the-cry-of-the-ppg-infinite

only iPad Pro. I provide on this page the apps I use.

So value in mod assign are link to vowel type? Ok, I have to dig more in that.

 

 
Posted : 24/06/2024 6:43 am
Daniel
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I don't know if Yamaha is planning on bringing back formants (FS1R) and RCM (YS99) which would be an interesting combination for shaping choir samples. 

for sure, this will be a huge step for shaping sound like a carver, they could also improve the talking modulator effect with the possibility to write sequences of vowels and plosives as in Wolfgang palm phonem ios app. Maybe for a Montage 3 Matrix reloaded edition 🤩 but this time I don’t know if I will still stand in this dimension 😇 😭 🤣 

 
Posted : 24/06/2024 6:59 am
Daniel
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Sorry Darryl

i misunderstood , you was not referencing to a montage been used in this music. 🤥

there is no aftertouch or even keyboard been used in these pieces  but only the glass of the iPad as interface. Mpe is great but still difficult to find in the same place the right interface and the right engine. The glass miss velocity and feedback sensing, I don’t like mpe controller that give you the feeling you play on a sponge like rolli or haken continuum, the linnstrument is quite a good controller, fit for guitar player, that can be ok but again you have the feeling to play on a piece of wood. I think may be the e osmosis is the best for keyboardist and it have a powerful engine called the Eagan matrix ( not friendly programmable at all) I don’t have enough return about this device and the osmosis team are not responsive at all.

 
Posted : 24/06/2024 7:38 am
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