If I do an audio recording on my Montage, a file named NewAudioRec.wav gets created on my flash drive. Montage Connect seems not to provide a way to get that audio file onto my computer. If I'm not missing something, this would be a nice addition to Montage Connect's capabilities.
With regard to the Montage's audio recording capabilities, it would be nice if you could create more than one audio file on the flash drive. What happens now (in firmware 1.60) is that when the file already exists, you get the option of overwriting the file. Apparently, you can only ever have that one file. It would be pretty easy to instead have the firmware append 1 to the filename the first time, 2 the second time, etc. Maybe the Montage Content Manager could even have a page for managing these audio files.
Anyway, if you actually can use Montage Connect to transfer audio recordings to the attached computer, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to do that.
(I know I could just play the audio into Cubase and capture it there, but using Montage Connect instead would sometimes be more convenient.)
You can make as many recordings as you want to the USB (where there's space to).
Follow these steps before recording:
- From Play screen select Song Name --> then press Load
- Then press New Song +
- Give it unique name (or let the Montage increments the number for you. When you follow these steps the automatic response by Montage is to name the file "NewSong(incremented number)"
As for Montage Connect, it doesn't have wave file transportation capabilities sadly.
Thanks!
While a Bulk Dump of your Audio recording seems like a good idea, it’s not very practical, in reality. The audio recording can be stereo 44.1kHz/24-bit, which creates about 10MB per minute... a maximum recording size is 74 minutes... that would create a file 740MB in size. On this planet, at this time, bulking a 740MB File at the speed of MIDI bulk transfer, would quickly have you realizing that its far more convenient to pull the USB stick out of the MONTAGE and place it in the USB port of your computer to import your data.
recorded Midi data generates files in the KB Range. A super complicated MIDI file generates a file of say 100KB (I once did a sound alike MIDI file of Quincy Jones’ version of the Weather Report Song “Birdland” that created an 8 Minute 100KB .mid File)... as a successful musician you might fill in your taxes that you made $100,000 last year. That same data recorded as audio might generate a lump of data 80MB or more... unless you write the songs that make the whole world sing, you probably have little chance of making $80,000,000 as a musician...
Some how when you start talking kilobytes versus megabytes we lose perspective... I find substituting your local currency often does the trick.
Trust me, MONTAGE CONNECT does not Bulk Dump audio for a good reason: your Time is too valuable! Besides the data would have to placed in the MONTAGE before it could even do anything like MIDI Sample Dump
A little history: long time Yamaha Users might remember when such things were possible... the SY85, TG500, RM50 had the ability to Bulk Dump .wav data using “MIDI Sample Dump” protocol... back then dumping 1MB at the speed of MIDI took “forever” (while not a scientific measurement- the idea was clear data sizes of more than a MB was not efficient) you had no choice back in 1992... a single MB took several minutes. Slightly less than 10 minutes... during which time you held your breath praying there were no errors... maximum file size back then was 1MB (we’re talking 6 seconds of total record time)
Trust me, pull the USB stick and shuttle over to your computer.
Recent history, moving files via Ethernet... we’ve been here, we’ve done that, and if you had a Motif XF, you had that t-shirt. You could move files that way. ... cool but out of ever 10 folks I would talk to, maybe 1 was successfully using Ethernet; logging their synth onto their computer was above the pay grade for most. If you successfully worked via Ethernet with your XF ...please realize you were in the small percentile. (Computer protocols, like establishing a Network via Ethernet, was above most musicians... and frankly I learned more about that protocol than I wanted to know.
So shuttling large amounts of data manually is still the best way.
Just FYI. Not to say it is not a good idea... of course, it is, but file sizes, preclude its practicality
It’s a great idea but...
Bad Mister wrote:
While a Bulk Dump of your Audio recording seems like a good idea, it’s not very practical, in reality. The audio recording can be stereo 44.1kHz/24-bit, which creates about 10MB per minute... a maximum recording size is 74 minutes... that would create a file 740MB in size. On this planet, at this time, bulking a 740MB File at the speed of MIDI bulk transfer, would quickly have you realizing that its far more convenient to pull the USB stick out of the MONTAGE and place it in the USB port of your computer to import your data.
recorded Midi data generates files in the KB Range. A super complicated MIDI file generates a file of say 100KB (I once did a sound alike MIDI file of Quincy Jones’ version of the Weather Report Song “Birdland” that created an 8 Minute 100KB .mid File)... as a successful musician you might fill in your taxes that you made $100,000 last year. That same data recorded as audio might generate a lump of data 80MB or more... unless you write the songs that make the whole world sing, you probably have little chance of making $80,000,000 as a musician...
Some how when you start talking kilobytes versus megabytes we lose perspective... I find substituting your local currency often does the trick.
Trust me, MONTAGE CONNECT does not Bulk Dump audio for a good reason: your Time is too valuable! Besides the data would have to placed in the MONTAGE before it could even do anything like MIDI Sample DumpA little history: long time Yamaha Users might remember when such things were possible... the SY85, TG500, RM50 had the ability to Bulk Dump .wav data using “MIDI Sample Dump” protocol... back then dumping 1MB at the speed of MIDI took “forever” (while not a scientific measurement- the idea was clear data sizes of more than a MB was not efficient) you had no choice back in 1992... a single MB took several minutes. Slightly less than 10 minutes... during which time you held your breath praying there were no errors... maximum file size back then was 1MB (we’re talking 6 seconds of total record time)
Trust me, pull the USB stick and shuttle over to your computer.
Recent history, moving files via Ethernet... we’ve been here, we’ve done that, and if you had a Motif XF, you had that t-shirt. You could move files that way. ... cool but out of ever 10 folks I would talk to, maybe 1 was successfully using Ethernet; logging their synth onto their computer was above the pay grade for most. If you successfully worked via Ethernet with your XF ...please realize you were in the small percentile. (Computer protocols, like establishing a Network via Ethernet, was above most musicians... and frankly I learned more about that protocol than I wanted to know.
So shuttling large amounts of data manually is still the best way.
Just FYI. Not to say it is not a good idea... of course, it is, but file sizes, preclude its practicality
It’s a great idea but...
@BM, why do you spend so much time spelling out a whole bunch of unnecessary information? You absolutely could just have said this:
"Montage Connect doesn't transfer audio data, it only transfers MIDI etc (at MIDI transfer speeds)." (or whatever the correct (succinct!) info is)
and then you could have spent that time doing a polyphony test on your Montage instead :p
There are different levels of technical proficiency. The answer explains the "why" and gives historical perspective to demonstrate Yamaha has gone down this road before and field testing has not offered a better method other than the current use-a-USB-stick method. Maybe you can figure out the context (so extraneous for you) - but likely helpful to many others. One can also answer terse - but then you have to follow-up when the questions start coming in. Seems like even when you give a nice complete answer you get questions either way.
Ethernet is difficult because it's not plug-and-play without the right gear and effort. However - USB is plug-and-play so it's technically feasible for Montage's USB-to-host to be "told" with a MIDI SYSEX to switch to data transfer mode - stop doing MIDI - transfer big data at USB 2.0 speeds - then swap Montage's USB-to-host back to MIDI mode. This would be a large driver overhaul and "evasive" firmware changes. Not something in the cards for Montage anytime soon - if ever.
Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R
Jason wrote:
There are different levels of technical proficiency. The answer explains the "why" and gives historical perspective to demonstrate Yamaha has gone down this road before and field testing has not offered a better method other than the current use-a-USB-stick method. Maybe you can figure out the context (so extraneous for you) - but likely helpful to many others. One can also answer terse - but then you have to follow-up when the questions start coming in. Seems like even when you give a nice complete answer you get questions either way.
Yeah I get all that. Apologies, my comment really was just tongue in cheek (because I'm interested in answers to my questions about how the polyphony really works).
And sure, direct, factual answers may need backing up in future posts with support information, but they should be given up front in cases like these.
@Bad Mister: I meant/mean no disrespect at all. I thought your response was a strange approach as it seemed to skirt around the point by telling a long story without providing the punch line up front (or at all in the end). My main point was to get your attention re polyphony in a cheeky fashion.
Just FYI. Not to say it is not a good idea... of course, it is, but file sizes, preclude its practicality.
As one of my Computer Science students, a recent immigrant from Asia, once said to me, “That’s a whole lot of make sense.“