I think it was brought out somewhere here that the reverbs on the Montage are meh (see Andrews comment) . I agree after having tried many of them. there is something just lacking in the sound. I have played with the reverbs on this for as long as the Montage has been out and I cant get that sound like these other reverb plugins and pedals. Its probably just old fx tech thrown into this thing. It just makes the case that teh Montage cannot sound like this patch without the proper FX chain.

I find the reverbs much better than just meh, but that's after working with them a bit and figuring out how to set them properly. Also, using multiple reverbs often makes for a better sound, so basically using a PART insertion effect Reverb + send to the main Reverb effect for the Performance.
Regarding the sound you are trying to create, have you tried using the "Early Reflection" effect or even "Reverse Reverb", with Sends to main Var & Rev effects (Delay & Reverb), for the reverb? You will still need something like "Symphonic" with cutoff or EQ'ing...

i want to see the patch

I don't really have a Performance where I've done a full on Shimmer Effect, but I did do this one with a subtle amount of Shimmer using the "Space Simulator" (3 Walls) reverb in Global Effects:
https://soundcloud.com/dclowe/montage-c7-shimmer

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Have a listen to this, if you've got 15 minutes, as he breaks down how this sort of thing is done on the DeepMind, and reveals the nature of that reverb.

https://youtu.be/uBv6CXBS7Cg

There's nothing like this kind of reverb on the Montage/MODX. I wasn't overstating it, the DeepMind has a very good reverb.

On Montage/MODX you'll have to inject all that animation (shimmer) into the "patch" by way of noise and high frequency beating between several waveforms of off kilter peaks with longish attacks on them, and huge delays, such that they're faking being reverb in and of themselves, and thereby giving longish tails of agitation to the rather dull onboard reverbs in a way that makes them colourful and greatly extends them, just by virtue of the content coming into them and their length.

This'll eat up polyphony if you're doing a lot of big chords, as you'll need multiple parts with many elements active to get this fully flavourful and evolving.

By the way, since Darryl's brought up double pumping reverbs, might I suggest a better approach: very fast delays with lots of feedback. These create a kind of agitated transient-like effect across time, that a less than stellar reverb can grab a hold of and do things with in such a way that it sounds like a much better reverb than it actually is, so long as the delay is so fast that it's not really a delay, just a much more characterful "decay and release", and is getting to operate on the release.

Because some of the delay effects have the little EQ-like controls, that can be Motion Sequenced, you can do all sorts of exaggerations that give the reverb more to work with, in this way, too.

We just got to keep working at it I suppose

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Just for the record, the Reverbs, and all the other FX on the Montage/MODX are professional sounding and provide an extensive, comprehensive range.

The Reverbs you are calling "Meh" collectively represent "Natural" and "Studio" clssses that have been stock and trade in the Music industry since the 50s/60's.

The types of Reverbs you want are "Specialised" Sound effects, and not a "given" on many pro multi-FX units... including the Deepmind.

For context, "Shimmer" reverbs did not start appearing on Retail/Consumer level (affordable) effects until late 2000s/early 2010's... and even then, only on a select few "High End" units.

The technological enabler was affordable DSP Power. Even then, the Shimmer and "particle" type Reverbs could sound a bit ropey and glitchy.

Daniel Lanois/Brian Eno are often cited as the collaborative "inventors" of Shimmer, but there was no "black box" effect. It was a Studio Technique requiring a comprehensive Mixing Console, Pitch Shifters, Numerous Multi-Tap Delays and significantly... a Standard Reverb (e.g. Hall, Plate).

Record multiple 100% wet tracks/layers, push it through an EQ to remove the metallic atonal top end and then paste it on top of the Dry track at mix-down. Voila... Shimmer.

Even now, with external effects, you are not going to achieve a great sounding Shimmer/Particle Reverb without paying top dollar because it is immensely DSP hungry.

A lot of lower end pedals now include "Shimmer" as an option (thats marketing and competition) but most of the cheaper Shimmer options sound garbage.

From a usage perspective (at least in my case) the Novelty of Shimmer very quickly wears off. It is a musical condiment to be used sparingly, and not as an always "On" effect... it starts to sound sickening very quickly.

Moreover, the Deepmind patch you are referring to absolutely DOES NOT use Shimmer Reverb.

The Deepmind has a few parallel and crossover signal routing options in its FX Stage, that allow you to "Create Shimmer" in a very loose sense. But Note, there is NO "Shimmer Reverb" it still uses any one of a handful of "Standard" Reverbs (fewer options than the Montage).

I say "loose sense" because the end result, not surprisingly, sounds garrish and unmusical. You would need significant post production (external) processing to clean up the mess and make it palatable.

There is a user demo on YouTube of the Deepmind "Shimmer Hack". Compare that sound to what is produced by a Strymon BigSky for example and there is no contest.

If I owned a Deepmind and Shimmer Verb was vitaly important to me, I would still be looking at 3rd Party FX.
The best "within affordable reach" products I believe are Strymon... but that's just my subjective opinion.

Lastly.... there are Presets on the Montage/MODX that create/use Shimmer. Not by complex routing of Harmonisers, Delays and Reverbs, but because it is a Synthesiser and can do that stuff without resorting to studio trickery.

All Shimmer is, is a "moving" higher Octave Pad. It was initially coined to provide a complex backdrop (Pad) from a plain/ordinary instrument... Electric Guitar for example.

Assuming you do in fact own a Montage, the best I can suggest it to wade through and audition all the Presets, "favourite" the ones with Shimmer and then reverse engineer to figure out how they did it.

As far as that Deepmind patch is concerned, I would recommend going to a Store, take a pen and paper, and write down all the settings (Oscillators, LFOs, Filters, Envelopes and effects settings) then rebuild on the Montage.

The Montage/MODX is a "Sandbox" synth. Its like a massive box of Lego Bricks. All the parts are there, you just have to figure out how you want to build them.