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 Rob
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This may be a dumb question but if I connect an FC7 pedal to the FC1 foot controller jack on the Montage, what do I have to adjust to use it as a master volume for the entire synthesizer?

 
Posted : 16/11/2017 6:54 pm
 G
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Rob wrote:

This may be a dumb question but if I connect an FC7 pedal to the FC1 foot controller jack on the Montage, what do I have to adjust to use it as a master volume for the entire synthesizer?

An FC7 pedal plugged into the FOOT CONTROLLER 1 jack is capable of sending a message which will be able to address any of the MONTAGE PARTS under KBD CTRL (Keyboard Control)...

...which can be as few as one Part at a time, or and many as 8 Parts simultaneously. Nothing special needs to be done. Any of the first eight Parts can be linked under KBD CTRL by simply activating that HOME screen icon. All Parts currently under KBD CTRL will be affected by the FC7 by default ... it is set to send cc011 Expression... which allows you to maintain proportional volume levels between Parts. If you select any single Part that is not under KBD CTRL then the FC7 will address just that Single Part.

The Super Knob (being Super) can be set to control all 16 Part Volumes and it can be linked to your FC7.

What is your application?

 
Posted : 16/11/2017 8:45 pm
 G
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I think he is just asking how to use the FC7 pedal to move the master volume (master volume slider)...?

 
Posted : 16/11/2017 8:58 pm
Jason
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I believe the only way to move the volume slider is with the volume slider. The volume slider is a hardware volume which is not itself either a digital controller or controlled by digital means (MIDI). So expression pedal volume would be different and unrelated to the volume slider.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 16/11/2017 10:49 pm
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In addition to the above I have the following question.

My situation/setup:
I am playing the MODX from an external (4-zone) masterkeyboard. Also I play the MODX keybed itsself at the same time, having 2 key beds driving one sound engine. Important is that parts that I play on the master keyboard must not sound when I play the MODX keyboard.

In a performance, the part I want to play from the MODX key beds do have KBD CTRL ON. The parts I am playing from the external Master Keyboard do have KBD CTRL OFF, because I do not want them to hear when I play on the MODX board. I am playing in multi mode.

What my aim is with the FC7:
I would like to control all parts.
Now I am facing the following issue: Using the FC-7 on input 1 (CTRL 11) I can only adjust the volume of the parts with KBD CTRL on. So, logically the parts that I play from the master keyboard are not controlled by the FC 7 pedal. This is not how I wanted it to work but maybe I am missing the point here.

Apart from using the Superknob, as indicated above, is there another solution to control all parts within the performance? (Using the Superknob would force me to, for every performance, do a lot programming)/

Regards, Raymund

 
Posted : 07/09/2020 1:31 pm
Bad Mister
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What I want with the FC7,
Now I am facing the following issue: Using the FC-7 on input 1 (CTRL 11) I can only adjust the volume of the parts with KBD CTRL on. So, logically the parts that I play from the master keyboard are not controlled by the FC 7 pedal. This is not how I wanted it to work but maybe I am missing the point here.

If you connect the FC7 pedal to the Foot Controller 1 jack and choose to send a cc number, like 11, it totally follows that it will only affect the selected Parts. CC messages like cc11 are Channel specific. And much like the Keys you press, the MW, the PB Wheel, etc., etc., etc. the FC1 affects the exact same set of sounds. You cannot be missing this point... why would the FC be different?

Apart from using the superknob, as indicated above, is there another solution to control all parts within the performance?

In general, the physical set of Keys that you play are just one part of the master controller function. If you want to send cc1 Mod Wheel to the sounds that this external set of Keys are controlling, you should move the MW on that master controller... (not the MW on the slave device).

When talking we say “Keyboard” but we actually mean: Keys, wheels, pedals, etc, all controls!!! CONTROLLERs should control.

So the first (and best way) is to: control the Volume of the parts you are controlling, with your controller. It must also have a pedal option (?)

_The Super Knob, or any of the eight COMMON ASSIGN KNOBs can be used to control all MONTAGE Parts and their Volume...
_The Super Knob can be controlled via an external controller, by setting the Super Knob to respond to a specific CC# — why do you need an additional method? Is it not possible to use this function?
_You could get a stereo inline Volume pedal — placed between the Main L&R Outputs and your sound system.

 
Posted : 07/09/2020 3:21 pm
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Hi Bad Mister,

Thanks for answering this.

Yes, you are right. Controllers should control their own business in the first place. Though it would be nice if one had the choice to control all parts with one volume pedal, as a setting. A "nice to have".

Back to reality.

Indeed, the Superknob is perfect for the job. But what is bothering me there is that for each extra part I have to remember to add the per part volume controls and attach these to the Superknob. For live use I use dozens of performances with a lot of parts, I would have to check them all.. And....that I loose the Superknob to something "basic" like volume control. That feels a bit as a waste.

Adding a volume control connected to my external keyboard implies that I will become the proud owner of 2 volume pedals, each for one keyboard. I am afraid to operate the wrong volume pedal in the heat of the moment. Maybe you have better experiences with that?

I guess the inline Volume pedal is a little investment and some extra "cable junk" on the floor, but it might suit me as the best solution.

Thank you.

 
Posted : 08/09/2020 1:16 pm
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Hi Bad Mister,

Thinking about the Superknob, Would it be possible to create a "template Performance" with these controls added on all 16 parts, and start every new performance from the template (this means settings should remain selecting voices.....)

Regards Raymund

 
Posted : 08/09/2020 1:20 pm
Bad Mister
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Thinking about the Superknob, Would it be possible to create a "template Performance" with these controls added on all 16 parts, and start every new performance from the template (this means settings should remain selecting voices.....)

Yes, I believe you can.

I was able to do so by starting with the “Init” > “Multi/GM” Performance, I setup the MASTER FX = Isolator
Since all Parts must travel through an active Master FX, by assigning control of the three frequency bands to the same Common Assign Knob... linked to the Super Knob. The position of the FC7 controlling the Super Knob will control the overall Volume of the Performance.

I’ve attached a Zipped ... MONTAGE CONNECT .X7B of this Template Performance where Common Assign Knob 1 is set to control the overall Volume Output... if you want to see how it was created see my answer in the link below: As you replace individual Parts in this Template Performance the upper Common/Audio settings remain as you substitute Parts. All Parts must traverse the Master Effects so this can be used as a starting point. You can store this Performance (All Volume Cmn AsgKn1) in your User Bank or simply Bulk it over from MONTAGE CONNECT whenever you are programming.

See Method 2 in this linked post

You can add your own selections to the PARTS as you require...

Attached files

All Volume CmnAsgKn1.X7B.zip (8.9 KB) 

 
Posted : 08/09/2020 8:34 pm
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