@Darryl, Yamaha is well aware of user desires for making, saving and sharing their own presets for all manner of things, and especially for effects.

Yamaha has been aware of this since the release of the Montage.

@Darryl, Yamaha is well aware of user desires for making, saving and sharing their own presets for all manner of things, and especially for effects.
Yamaha has been aware of this since the release of the Montage.

Yes, but the ones that get their focus & attention the most from customers that want these things, are the ones that they are going to likely give attention to and possibly implement first in OS updates, sooner rather than later. A perfect example is the "Add KBD CTRL to Scenes" idea, which was relatively high on the ideascale list, and was added in OS 3.0 I believe...
They've had the roadmap of ideas/features/enhancements that they planned to implement/add since before the release of the Montage, but which ones they end up choosing to do first is heavily swayed by what we tell them we want most.

Ideascale helps Yamaha prioritize ideas that they already had planned in their roadmap. They are listening to customers' feedback on which ones we'd like to see added the most/first as a feature/enhancement! The Voicing team, the software engineers and others in the decision making process can then better decide which ones to work on for the next OS update. I'm sure they have other deciding factors, such as difficulty & how much programming effort would be involved, but I'm quite certain that they take a serious look at Ideascale and our feedback on forums to help with these decisions as well!

I've lived in countries with and without democracy.

It's a scam.

I agree that there are countries that don't really have a democracy, and there are likely many scams. I get that!

I disagree that Yamaha is scamming us with the Montage roadmap/ideascale/etc.
I've dealt and communicated with enough of the people who run ideascale, are on the voicing team, are resellers or reps that have an inside scoop on the roadmap, and indirectly with a software engineer for the Montage, and they run the show, many of them helped develop the roadmap, and make the decisions on new features/enhancements...they are in direct communications with us the customer in many cases, and I trust them. I believe they will continue to do us right & maximize the full potential of the Montage when all is said and done.

It's a scam for many, many reasons.

The most obvious is the simplest. Why listen to people who've already paid for a one time purchase product?

Which leads to the second, and the really clever trick. You, a customer, think you're politely asking for an upgrade of that which you've bought. It's changed your reference and perspective.

Instead of thinking and acting, as Ruby does, and stating publicly that the product is unfinished and making this claim and any other noises of discontent and dissatisfaction in places where potential buyers might read your thoughts (possibly within building spaces of many other users resonating in such a manner that might create waves of resistance amongst potential buyers and therefore a subsequent need for action by Yamaha), all those noises are hidden away, and their tone changed to one of wishing upon the star of Yamaha.

Magic.

And you even then think to tell others they should also change their tone and hide away their thoughts in this official voting channel.

etc.

It's a scam for many, many reasons.
Magic.
And you even then think to tell others they should also change their tone and hide away their thoughts in this official voting channel.

When a company innovates and completely shifts their product roadmap to a new paradigm that no other company has really done this way before, some people don't buy in, adopt a negative pessimist's view & think it's a scam, while others see the genius in it!

Myself as an optimist & a realist, I see it as an innovative new way to provide a product that gets renewed via software engineering, instead of the much more expensive route of hardware + software re-engineering of new 'one time purchase products'. Yamaha figured out that releasing new Workstation/Synths every 2-4 years was quite costly:
MOTIF Classic 2001
MOTIF ES 2003
MOTIF XS 2007
MOTIF XF 2010

Why not build one Synth that can be updated via software engineering only, and add the features/enhancements over a much longer period of time without changing the hardware design each time..!? And this way Yamaha can then more easily adapt to what new hardware products Roland or Korg put out, and respond within a short period of time. Perfect example is when Roland released the Fantom on Sept 5, 2019, and Yamaha was able to respond with basically a brand new Synth on Sept 24, 2019 with a new Sequencer, Extended LFO & many other feature/enhancements because they didn't have to change the hardware. This increased sales of the Montage, despite Roland's new product, and kept the MODX selling like hotcakes, while giving us more value in our product.
But more importantly, they are building a new reputation & confidence from customers, and listening to/communicating with their customers via forums/ideascale, so that people continue to buy their current Montage/MODX line, and 5+ years down the road when they finally release a new hardware synth, more customers will buy it right away trusting & knowing it will have increasing value and basically a new Synth with every OS update for a much longer period of time.

Some people are used to the old way of thinking regarding new hardware based releases, in which customers had to buy new hardware Synths to get the new features/enhancements, and they think that the new roadmap is Dark Magic!
Whereas others like myself can see this new shift in paradigm as a brilliant new way of building trust and confidence for the future ... White Magic!!

I believe they really are listening to us on ideascale/on this and other forums:
https://yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/how-a-so-high-end-synthesizer-cannot-provide-a-proper-pitchbend?start=40#reply-91353

Let's agree to disagree!

I believe they've convinced you of much more than you know. That you've been hoodwinked into reducing your influence over their firmware updates to both your own detriment and their gain. Further, they've protected their future potential customers from learning what you've (the royal you) learnt about the limitations of their devices, thereby silencing analysis, true comparison and critique.

The origins of this approach are known - they're subsequent to the rise of what we know as newspapers and the realisations of opportunities mass media present, in all fields.

It's not just magic.

It's also a very clever form of subjugation wherein voters blame both themselves and each other.

I believe they've convinced you of much more than you know. That you've been hoodwinked into reducing your influence over their firmware updates to both your own detriment and their gain. Further, they've protected their future potential customers from learning what you've (the royal you) learnt about the limitations of their devices, thereby silencing analysis, true comparison and critique.

And here I thought my 8 months of intense research & analysis to find the best new Synth, would lead me to the right unit. Maybe I've been hoodwinked for not doing any analysis or comparison. I didn't realize that my influence over their firmware updates was to my detriment. I've only made use of KBD CTRL in Scenes on EVERY new Performance I have created, not to mention the enhanced Pitch bend that their Engineer worked so hard on to smooth out as best as he could... :p
Don't worry, I wasn't actually privy to being "brought under the yoke". It was actually Kronos owners on the Korg forums that convinced me to buy the Montage based purely on specs and functionality!

Just curious, do you own a Montage or MODX?