Hi, try this.

On Performance > Motion Control > Super Knob

Example here on common knob 3, for your performance do it on knob 8 :

Set top screen value to zero

Set Bottom screen value to zero :

The Super knob will not have control on a knob set like this and you can use it for something else 😉

Thanks Joel but it doesn'the work fine because anytime a touch super know the value of know 8 (for example) drop to zero and I wish that this value stay fixed to the value that I set by know 8. So this workaround (that I had tryed before post this topic) doesn'the work

Yes, i didn't think about this, you're right, moving the Super knob Reset the Knob to zero, sorry.

It's why you ask the question about using ribbon or MW to control a master FX parameter.

Yes that's why I ask about ribbon and MW. I notice that there isn't any way to have a fast controol to the master FX. I can't find any workaround.....that's no good for live situation.
Thanks for your answer.

You're welcome, it doesn't help you but it can help another user who want to disengage Super Knob for a common Assignable Knob.

The control number page allow you to assign Ribbon to the same CC than an Assignable Knob but it's for Part Assignable Knob, not for Common Assignable Knob.

If i have understand fine, part Assignable Knob answer/use CC, Common Assignable Knob use sysex.

So at this step, i didn't find a way to allow you done what you want.

Thanks Joel...whaiting for bad mister hoping that it will be implemented in next firmware.
Ciao

Excluding Super Knob from one or more assigned knob control

Is it possible to exclude the superknob controol on some knob?

Yes, it is

For example I need to controol first six knob by the superknob and I want to assign a separated (from superknob) controol to knob 7 and 8 (for example to manage master fx status).

Is it possible? If not may it possible to implement in next firmware?

Totally, possible, no firmware change necessary.

For example I've assigned to knob 8 the overdrive of master fx but when I turn the superknob (to change the speed of rotor of organfor example) it happens the superknob drive also knob 8 that I wish that it remain fixed to the value that I set with the knob 8.

Again, totally possible.

The answer Joel has given is the correct answer. If it is not working for you, it's because you need to adjust the range or depth of the control, then set it so it is recalled exactly as you desire.

Explanation:
The eight Knobs on the Common/Audio (upper) level of the Performance are automatically linked to the movement of the Super Knob.
You can unlink the upper level AssignKnob from the Super Knob by limiting its Range via VALUE 1 and VALUE 2. Unfortunately, you did not give enough information about the effect and the range, starting point, etc., you desire.

By setting the VALUE 1 and VALUE 2 settings to the same value is the correct answer. By setting them both to zero, you have effectively eliminated the link between the AssignKnob and the Super Knob. But you could select any value 43/43, 96/96, 64/64 it would not matter; if minimum = maximum the unlink is accomplished. If you experiment with values other than zero, you will see all that changes is the start position of AssignKnob8's controlled parameter!

Simply set these VALUES to the position that gives you the correct amount of overdrive to start. For example, setting both to 0, eliminates its link to the Super Knob and will recall that associated setting for the AssignKnob8.

The other approach to be discussed here is the relationship between the AssignKnob and the Destination parameter.
Go to the AssignKnob8 Control box, and fine tune the movement and DEPTH of control. In general it works similar to previous models... The Motif/MOXF series worked so that you had a Source (physical control), a Destination (parameter), and a Depth (amount/one direction). The control box is the same here but is greatly enhanced.

You still have the Source, Destination, but the "Depth" settings have been greatly expanded. You have a completely programmable CURVE, a POLARITY setting that allows to set as "unipolar" (as in Motif/MOXF) one direction of change from the start point; and you have "bipolar" where you can move above and below the start point. Finally, the RATIO which allows you to fine tune the degree/amount of change of this parameter with is PARAMETER 1 (shaping tool).

You must work with AssignKnob8 and its direct application to the selected target Destination parameter, so that
1) it begins at the setting you desire
2) it covers the range of change that you desire.

This will work,
The first step is: Unlink the AssignKnob8 from Super Knob... By setting its range of change to none, Value 1 = Value 2
The second step is: Fine tune the AssignKnob8's direct control over the overdrive of Master FX. So it behaves as you desire.
The final step is: once you have fine tuned the AssignKnob8's relationship to applying change directly (adding/removing overdrive) go back to the Super Knob VALUEs 1 and 2 and tweak the start value.

Store your work.

If you get stuck post back here with a few more details on the exact parameter you are controlling and a hint at what you sonically want to accomplish.

Sorry badmister but this workaround that you suggesr don't work. In live situation I wanna start with overdrive of Master fx value set to zero. Then I wanna use knob 8 to set the right level of overdrive with live feeling (so not fixed value I can define before). At the same time I wish use super knob to change other parameter (like rotor speed and other thongs) but I wish that super knob have no effect on knob 8 and this not happen. Anytime I move the super knob the knob 8 go to the presetted value setted in the superknob setting (like Joel suggest) and this is totally unwanted. And this also mean that it is not possible to have a knob independent from super knob behaviour (that is what I need). So sorry but what you say (that it is possible to have knob completely independent from super knob behaviour) is not true.
Best regards

Sorry, you are having problems getting this to work but even with your very small description of what you are trying to accomplish, I have this working here.
So again, please provide details - you can be precise - I'll try to help you achieve what you desire.
What parameter (exactly) are you controlling "Overdrive", "Dry/Wet", "Output Level"?

Ok badmister now I'm not with my montage...thanks and I will answer as soon as I can. :--) I hope in 1 hour

If you need to set Overdrive amount with "live feeling" not a preset fixed value, do so but not with knob 8, do so directly, at the gig by setting the parameter within the Master Effect. That is what is referred to as the "stored" value. You can change that when you are at the gig... To your taste.

Anyway, let me know.

Yes Bedminster but when I'm playing I have no time to go inside menu and looking for parameter. I need a short way to change some value and the knob should be perfect for that if they could also be indipendent from super knob. I try to do that also by ribbon or MW but it seams not possible.... I hope that it could be added in the feature a direct link between master fx and controller

So Badmister that's my trouble. I've setted knob 8 VALUE 1 and VALUE 2 both to zero to eliminated the link between the AssignKnob and the Super Knob and because I want that initially knob 8 value is zero.
Knob 8 controol the overdrive, more exately the "Mfx OvrDrv" is the destination assigned to "AsgnKnob 8" and the curve is bipolar with 32+ ratio and param1=5. I've setted this things in the control-->control assign menu.
During the live I wanna change the overdrive value from zero to a vaule that I can't know before because it depend from the feeling of live situation. For example I turn knob 8 to have 35 value of overdrive. After have done this things I need to turn the superknob to change other parameter of the program.....what's happen is that as soon I move the superknob the value of overdrive drop to zero and I don't want it.
So I hope that now the situation is clear, and I'm worried that with no firmware modification there isn't workaround to obtain it.
The program is tipical organ program in wich I want controol the rotary speed and brilliance with superknob but I need a general controol to set, in live, the amount of organ overdrive setted in the general master effect (that because the different part have its particular effect and sometime I can't have overdrive on any part that should be the only way to controol at the same time this things).
So I hope that in the feature the knob could have an option to be completely indipendent from superknob.
Thanks
Ciao

During the live I wanna change the overdrive value from zero to a vaule that I can't know before because it depend from the feeling of live situation

And that's it really. It's not the technology it's that you don't know what value is right feeling, and you don't want to "hunt" for a parameter on stage. Tsk, tsk, is what we say her (shame, shame).. No, really, I understand.

I can only encourage you to learn the architecture so that it is not a big task to navigate to the Mfx Overdrive and set it with "feeling of live situation".
Expecting this change in a firmware... We'll never say never but...

The program is tipical organ program in wich I want controol the rotary speed and brilliance with superknob but I need a general controol to set, in live, the amount of organ overdrive setted in the general master effect (that because the different part have its particular effect and sometime I can't have overdrive on any part that should be the only way to controol at the same time this things).
So I hope that in the feature the knob could have an option to be completely indipendent from superknob.

Im sorry, but changing the Rotary Speaker speed with the Super Knob, is really overkill. The Rotary Speaker Speed Control has two values: Slow and Fast. All values 0-63 are Slow, all values 64-127 is Fast. A simple switch is probably a better choice, but this really doesn't matter.

Sorry, it doesn't work for you. In the meantime while your waiting on that firmware update, I suggest you experiment and set a start value for the overdrive. You are using your own preference not to store a value create an unnecessary barrier for yourself.

Alternate methods:
Perhaps a better way is use an external "master" effect - run the audio outputs of the Montage into it then you can set it by feeling at the time you need it.
Another alternate method would be to assign the Overdrive to the Part or Parts, then you can control it because it's a Part parameter at that point.
Anyway I can think of quite a few workarounds...