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Michael Trigoboff
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It seemed to me that FM-X would be a good place to start trying to make my Montage sound like Jerry Garcia's guitar. But I've noticed that there aren't that many FM-X electric guitar Performances provided with the Montage.

Does this mean that doing an electric guitar like Jerry's is fundamentally difficult with FM-X? I'm having fun exploring this, but I don't want to spend a lot of time if I'm heading down a blind alley.

 
Posted : 11/01/2018 2:18 am
Jason
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These are it:

221 FM Ac Guitar 1 Guitar Synth
222 FM Ac Guitar 2 Guitar Synth
223 FM Pick Guitar 1 Guitar Synth
224 FM Pick Guitar 2 Guitar Synth
225 FM Tight Guitar Guitar Synth
226 FM EPish Guitar Guitar Synth
227 FM The Jazz Guitar Guitar Synth
228 FM Clean E.Gt 1 Guitar Synth
229 FM Clean E.Gt 2 Guitar Synth
230 FM Clean 12st E.Gt Guitar Synth
231 FM Clean E.Gt 3 Guitar Synth
232 FM Mute E.Gt Guitar Synth
233 FM Distortion E.Gt Guitar Synth

Not sure if you're talking about the new-age album Jerry did where he used DX7s and MIDI guitar. That's another thing.

Thor's paper on FM suggests that Formants help a lot with modeling the electric guitar. This is an FS1R feature not carried over to FM-X at least from a operator standpoint. I've had difference with the absolute require to produce certain instruments without formants -- but I would say that the "usable" range of the instrument sounding representative for other instruments is decreased without formants. Which just leads to expense in resources since you have to split up your keyboard range into multiple usable segments using more operators than you would otherwise need.

Jerry's tone is cleaner - but this thread

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206772

Shows use of the "DX7"'s (FM keytar) in the last post running through distortion. He's got external distortion and guitar-like cabinets - but with the wealth of effects on Montage - you can probably get in the ballpark of this more distorted keyboard using on-board effects. Which is a reminder that effects complement FM-X unlike what could be done in the distant past.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 11/01/2018 5:02 am
Michael Trigoboff
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Thanks! Helpful stuff.

What's "Thor's paper on FM?" Do you have a link to it?

 
Posted : 12/01/2018 2:29 am
Jason
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I didn't include a link to Thor's paper because it doesn't expound on how to create an electric guitar sound - only that formants help.

Searching for these search terms: "fm formants electric guitar pdf" produced:

http://www.javelinart.com/FM_Synthesis_of_Real_Instruments.pdf

The paper was "presented" to the group in this message: https://www.yamahasynth.com/forum/deleted-110/latest?viewallreplies=1

... back to that last post in the KVR thread about Jan Hammer:

Notice he didn't go looking for an FM patch on his synth that matched his goal of "distorted electric guitar". The synth he used had a couple presets - or a couple of things that were were good enough. His requirement was "something with a sharp attack and reasonably long sustain.". That's it. Any FM preset that matched that - he would use amps, effects, and most of all - playing technique to bridge the gap.

The guy played with some of the heavier guitar hitters around and traded licks with them - so he had a good chance to get his chops together.

But also read (you can find more about him) that his approach is starting with anything and getting a good "guitary" sound out the end for that work that needs that sound.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 12/01/2018 8:55 pm
Michael Trigoboff
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That thread and that PDF are really relevant and helpful. I'm going to try Thor's method of letting a spectral analysis of the sound I want guide how I attempt to build it with FM-X.

Thanks so much!

 
Posted : 13/01/2018 8:34 pm
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