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MIDI Controller Direct Connection To Montage

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Michael Trigoboff
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I have a Roli Rise 25 MIDI controller keyboard. I already know how to have it play Montage sounds by routing its MIDI output through Cubase to the Montage.

I would also like to connect the Rise directly to the Montage so that I can use both keyboards without a computer sometimes. The MIDI output of the Rise is a USB Type B female connector. Do I just need a cable with a USB Type B male connector on one end and a MIDI connector on the other? Or maybe a cable with Type B male connectors on both ends? Or something more complicated?

 
Posted : 10/08/2016 1:49 am
Bad Mister
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Something more complicated... It cannot be done without a device to translate.

Google'd it: http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/kenton-midi-usb-host

 
Posted : 10/08/2016 2:22 am
Russ
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How do you connect your Roli to the montage? I have a Seaboard. I'd love to have some montage sounds on my seaboard

 
Posted : 10/08/2016 2:13 pm
Michael Trigoboff
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Something more complicated... It cannot be done without a device to translate.

Thanks for the response. I was hoping for something like a $20 cable. At around $140, I think I'll just keep using my Surface 3 tablet and Cubase instead.

 
Posted : 11/08/2016 2:05 am
Michael Trigoboff
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How do you connect your Roli to the montage? I have a Seaboard. I'd love to have some montage sounds on my seaboard.

I hook up the both the Roli and the Montage to my Surface 3 tablet via USB. In Cubase, I create a MIDI track. I set the track's input to the Roli. I set the track's output to the Montage. I turn monitor on for the track. When I play notes on the Roli, a Montage PART plays. The PART that plays is determined by the MIDI output channel setting for the track.

 
Posted : 11/08/2016 2:09 am
 Jon
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I use a Kenton Midi USB Host device to link my P105 to my MOX6. Works very well, with no apparent latency issues at all.
Not sure if that will be true, if you connect your Roli to your the Montage via Cubase?.....

 
Posted : 11/08/2016 7:04 pm
Michael Trigoboff
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I haven't experienced any noticeable latency. I remember that Bad Mister said somewhere that Cubase was really good at not introducing latencies.

On the other hand, I'm not a professional musician, just a reasonably good amateur. I'm sure that my nervous system's clock rate is significantly slower than a professional musician's would be. Neil Young, for instance, dislikes music recorded on CDs because the sampling rate of 44,100 per second is too slow for him. That's well outside what I'm capable of noticing.

So Cubase might have a latency problem for someone with a really fast nervous system, but it works fine for the likes of me…

 
Posted : 11/08/2016 10:05 pm
Tim
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I thought Neil Young was tone deaf ..44k vs 48 and higher ??
Thats a slippery slope πŸ™‚
Z >>>

 
Posted : 12/08/2016 12:02 am
Michael Trigoboff
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Are you perhaps referring to this article?

I know what I can hear, but I don't really know what Neil Young might be capable of hearing. Given the difference between what he can play and what I can play, it seems possible to me that Neil Young can hear things that are beyond my capabilities.

 
Posted : 13/08/2016 2:09 am
Bad Mister
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Montage can do 192kHz/24-bit, just FYI.

 
Posted : 13/08/2016 1:37 pm
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Hello,

I want to play the Montage from my Yamaha CP300 piano via midi, but it seems that I can only hear the first sound in a performance. What do I do wrong? I've got 4 zone-sliders and if I move them I can see move the sliders on the Montage too, but I can't hear the sounds on part 2, 3, 4... I go from midi-out to midi-in. Should I use USB? Where can I find more information?

So when I play the Montage from the CP300 I get poor sound: only part 1, although I have 4 sliders.

I also have a Yamaha P200 with only one slider for midi. From the P200 the Montage plays as it should...

 
Posted : 13/08/2016 2:22 pm
Bad Mister
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Hi Thomas,

Your P-series and CP-series Yamaha Pianos transmit on one (or maximum, two) MIDI channels at a time. Therefore you want to place your Montage in MIDI I/O Mode = Single and address it on just a single channel.

Press [UTILITY]
Touch "Settings" > "Advanced"
Set the MIDI I/O mode = Single
Select a MIDI channel to match the channel you are transmitting On.

The Montage (when set to MIDI I/O mode MULTI) is capable of receiving on as many as 16 separate channels and it is capable of transmitting on as many as 8 simultaneously, via its keyboard.

If your controller only transmits on one at a time, please set the MIDI I/O mode to Single. That'll do it.

 
Posted : 13/08/2016 4:11 pm
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