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Motion Sequencer, Sync = Arp

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 Sean
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I've been experimenting with the Motion Sequencer for the first time, having gone through BM's tutorials. What I'm trying to do is turn up the volume for a part every few measures and down again. I have figured out how to set up the cycles, unit multiply etc and set the MS Lane 1 destination to volume. If I set the MS sync to tempo, it does kind of what I want insofar as if I press and hold a chord, the volume changes at the right time.

But what I actually want is that the motion sequence starts when the Arp starts as it will be tied in with my drum beat. So if I set MS sync = Arp, I would expect this to happen. But when I start my Arp going, the MS is not kicking in. I hear nothing. (The MS master is on too)

The strange thing is that when I don't switch Master Arp/On and play a chord, the MS does kick in. It stops when I start the Arp.

The MS is on part 8 and this doesn't actually have an Arp associated with it. I don't want one, just drums on a different part. (I did try switching on Arp for part 8 too but that didn't do it)

I'm sure I'm missing something on the Arp sync that I don't quite understand

I tried Sync = tempo with various combinations of key on reset but that doesnt do what I want either. The sequence needs to reset at the start of the arp and continue regardless of key presses.

Any help appreciated

Sean

 
Posted : 31/07/2017 8:02 pm
 Sean
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So after a bit more experimentation I discovered that I hadn't actually switched on the Arp on Part 8 properly (I had neglected to assign an individual arp). So now the MS does kick in and make a sound. But this is not what I actually want - I don't want the Arp to play. I just want the synchonisation to follow the Arp on time. Is there some way I can do this?

 
Posted : 31/07/2017 10:18 pm
Bad Mister
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I don't want the Arp to play. I just want the synchonisation to follow the Arp on time. Is there some way I can do this?

Hmmm... do you mean you don't want the arpeggio phrase to sound? You want it to play, right, you just don't want to hear it, is that right? Or something else entirely?

The "Mute" Arps can be used to 'play' a silent phrase, the Arp "Mute 4/4" can act as a musical rest as it counts the time signature yet creates no note-on events. Although, I'm not exactly clear on what you are envisioning.
The "Ctrl " Arps used with Key Mode = "direct" allow the direct Key presses to be heard.

The MS can run in tempo - it derives the tempo from the same Clock source as the ARP phrase

 
Posted : 01/08/2017 12:25 am
 Sean
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Phil
Thanks for your help - the Mute 4/4 arp with Key mode = direct does achieve what I was trying to do. I'm trying to have one sound be swopped with another one 8 measures in, for 4 measures and then switched back again. So I use the MS to take the volume of one part down and at the same time another MS Lane on a different part takes the volume up.

This is now working - an experiment with the Motion Sequencer more than anything.

I tried originally using the Sync = Tempo. But the problem with this is the MS will not reset as I start the Arp.

 
Posted : 01/08/2017 3:31 am
Jason
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You can accomplish this, as you have done, by employing two MS Lanes - one in each PART. But when dealing with multiple PARTs when you want to switch between two different states you can use superknob automation as an alternative. Assuming you're not using superknob for something else - you can setup the assignable knobs in each PART (say assignable knob 1) to affect volume. Then link the common assignable knob 1 to turn PART 1's assignable knob #1 UP (same direction as superknob) when superknob is turned clockwise. And set common assignable knob 2 to turn PART 2's assignable knob #1 DOWN (inverse direction as superknob) as the superknob is turned clockwise. Then you only need to setup one "MS Lane" type setup under the superknob automation where you see the same type of cycles and ability to sync to an ARP. Notice in superknob automation - you select the PART you want to Sync to (in terms of ARP) - since the common level does not have an ARP - you can pick any of the 16 PARTs' ARP as the one to follow under superknob automation.

In terms of setting up the lanes - this method can be slightly more efficient. Assigning the superknob links is probably less overhead than doubling up on the MS Lane cycle programming.

I'm not advocating for one or the other method - just informing of the different ways you can accomplish the same thing.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 02/08/2017 8:45 pm
 Sean
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Jason
Thanks for your input on this. But one of the reasons I wanted to do this with the MS was to avoid having to use the Super Knob as I do use it in the same performance for something else.

Sean

 
Posted : 02/08/2017 10:22 pm
Jason
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The best reason to that route. I should have also added (for other readers) - ... "Assuming you're not using superknob for something else and the gesture of superknob under the existing control is different (in opposition somehow) to the PART volume gesture ..."

Because of course you can stack destinations - although frequently various parameters you "could" assign to superknob do not agree on the superknob movement - certainly when you want one parameter (or set of parameters) not to move at all while the other parameter(s) move. Which is likely the case here.

Current Yamaha Synthesizers: Montage Classic 7, Motif XF6, S90XS, MO6, EX5R

 
Posted : 03/08/2017 7:57 am
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