I don't know but your question which includes "polyphonic" suggests you're referring to the Montage M8X.  In which case this is a totally new keybed with different sensors so it's bound to be different.   I don't know how it compares, though.  The aftertouch in the Montage Classic vs the Poly (or even Channel) aftertouch of the Montage M8X.

One interesting thing - and something to throw Ideascale campaigns at - is that the M8X keys should be able to sense their position.  Therefore, there seems to be a lot that can be done including modes where you barely press the key and the AT would start there and gradually increase until you bottom out.  There are now a couple of synth/keyboards that take advantage of this (not Yamaha).  I'm not saying the keyboard does this or will ever do this -- but the hardware supports it and that's always a good place to start with a feature request.

It'd be interesting to be able to setup a PolyAT mapping where you could have an input of some kind of curve relating the key travel to PolyAT output.  Where you could set it up for PolyAT registering near the bottom of a keypress (like it is now) or near the top or strange step functions etc.

I'm getting a little off track here - but it would be good if someone who's used Montage Classic's channel aftertouch and M8X could weigh in on how the M8X compares.

There are now a couple of synth/keyboards that take advantage of this (not Yamaha)

that surprising, I thought position could be analyzed only at the aftertouch mechanical level. I thought only velocity was analyzed by the machine. Of coarse you have keyboard like e expressive osmose that offer a totally new key actions.

that surprising, I thought position could be analyzed only at the aftertouch mechanical level. I thought only velocity was analyzed by the machine.

The GEX keybed in the M8X has 'induction key sensors' that are capable of detecting the position of the key.

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Although the sensors are capable of detecting position (even if the key is not moving) that doesn't mean Yamaha is actually using all of that capability yet or even plans to in the future.

But my guess would be that Yamaha will milk it dry in the future because adding such functionality can be done in software-only because the hardware capability is already there.

Time will tell - it will be interesting to see just what new functionality will be included in the upcoming OS 2.0 update scheduled for later this month.

that surprising, I thought position could be analyzed only at the aftertouch mechanical level. I thought only velocity was analyzed by the machine. Of coarse you have keyboard like e expressive osmose that offer a totally new key actions.

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https://sandsoftwaresound.net/montage-m8x-key-notes/

Interesting but nothing about aftertouch, hope Yamaha will exploit this technology. Also aftertouch need a mechanical action and feedback for the finger.

I didn’t know that pAT was not available for the montage M6 and 7! 😪 bring a 88 + it’s case on stage is quite painful, specially when you have stairs and no roadies 😩 

I didn’t know that pAT was not available for the montage M6 and 7!

The M6 and M7 keybeds are not capable of generating PAT but if an external source (keyboard, DAW) sends MIDI that includes PAT those models can play it.

The new ESP softsynth for the M models is said to now support all of the funtionality of the M8X but I haven't checked to see if PAT is part of it. If so you could prepare your stuff with PAT on using ESP and then play it (including the PAT) onstage through an M6 or M7.

Because the required keybed functionality is totally different it won't be possible to produce an upgrade to an M6 or M7 to support PAT without replacing the keybed.

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The M6 and M7 keybeds are not capable of generating PAT but if an external source (keyboard, DAW) sends MIDI that includes PAT those models can play it.

Correct. But...

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The new ESP softsynth for the M models is said to now support all of the funtionality of the M8X but I haven't checked to see if PAT is part of it. If so you could prepare your stuff with PAT on using ESP and then play it (including the PAT) onstage through an M6 or M7.

No, because the M6/M7 keybed, is, as  you say, not capable of generating PAT. Meaning that its keys are incapable of sending the data ESP needs for ESP to generate the PolyAT effect. It would be the same situation as the scenario you described in the previous paragraph.

Meaning that its keys are incapable of sending the data ESP needs for ESP to generate the PolyAT effect.

It's always good to emphasize that again.

haven't checked to see if PAT is part of it.

I'll create a new thread to expand on that.