Rod wrote:

Hello - on another project, I hooked up my Tyros 3 outputs to the Montage A/D inputs, and MIDI'ed them together (Tyros the slave) - Montage has to be in MIDI mode. Worked fine until I came to record the result, and found that Montage does not record the auto-accompaniment provided by the Tyros. It records the Tyros melody voices together with the Montage Pf - but not a whiff of the Tyros auto-accompaniment. Ruined my day!

Questions are - is it possible to record the Tyros accompaniment anyway? And if so, how, please? Perhaps I have to make the accompaniment a Part? Bit puzzled because all the Tyros output goes through the Montage, but they're not all recorded ... thanks!

Much like recording the output of a Motif or Montage you have to understand what you are transmitting.

The Tyros has accompaniment (not Arpeggios, but the similarities and confusions come from the same place). When you forget that it is NOT you playing you become surprised that the recorder did not record you.

The recorder, in fact, did record exactly what you played. YOU get in trouble when you convince yourself that all those wonderful Drum, percussion, bass, guitars, horns, etc., etc., are YOU playing. YOU actually played none of that.

By default all (most) keyboards Output your KEY presses as MIDI. This is why the RIGHT 1, RIGHT 2, RIGHT 3 Parts were recorded, that is what YOU played. Is it not?

For the accompaniment instruments to Output via MIDI, you would need to set them so that they Output via MIDI.
Please check your Tyros Manual.

It would also help to get a better definition of "recording" down. Since there are several things you could (maybe) possibly record:

High level - just MIDI

1) The MIDI information which, when sent to Tyros, Tyros will "render" this and create the extra ARP/style notes. No Tyros here and haven't cracked open the manual to see what's possible.
2) The MIDI information of Tyros output which is already "rendered". Not sure if Tyros has the same type of feature of outputting all the ARP/style MIDI notes (what is actually played by the tone generator including all nuance). Montage has a selection of sending an ARP out either by its trigger source or the "rendered" full version. Again - not sure what's possible or not in Tyros style/ARP land.

Why record MIDI? a) You want to edit note values/lengths/mix/etc after recorded to change the result of what Tyros was playing. and/or b) You want to store your files in the smallest space possible.

Downside? Requires the Tyros for proper playback. ... possibly more complex routing/connectivity and/or options.

High level - just audio
3) Record what comes out Tyro's audio outputs into Montage's A/D line in (L&R)

Why record audio? a) You have no intention of changing the recording and just want to play back what Tyros was playing (including the mix, etc). b) Maybe you find it easier to relate to pressing record on a "tape" recorder (that paradigm, not literally) vs. recording MIDI.

Downside? Audio files are big - so you can get space limited on your storage media or burden your PC storage space with large saved audio recordings. Cannot be altered much vs. than peanut-butter spread post-processing (global effect/EQ/etc. which effects the entire mix together).

Depending on what you're trying to do - you may find MIDI better suited or audio better suited.

Hello BM - Thank you, and yes, I see the difference. Nonetheless, I am surprised that Montage does not automatically record everything received at the A/D inputs. I have been through the Tyros Manuals, and experimented widely with the MIDI settings (to the point I now have severe Tyros Finger from pushing buttons), and am more confused than ever! In 'Transmit' for example, only 8 Channels are catered for (they can be specified - if you know which they are) but even just the drums on Channel 10 are not recorded. The chords I strike (on Montage or Tyros) to change key are recorded - but not the auto-play. Even with all 4 Right-hand voices turned off (In 'Keyboard and Styles' mode on Tyros) - they still play and record on Montage ... and so on. So I don't think it can actually be done. Basically the whole day lost trying! But all may not be lost, as I find that Tyros can record the Montage through its own Aux: Inputs, and of course the Tyros recorders do record auto-play, so tomorrow I propose to reverse the process and make Montage the slave. Not as I expected! Bit of a battle with the knitting round the back there, so hopefully it will work!

Hello Jason, and thank you. I will experiment along your suggested lines tomorrow, but am not hopeful! I propose to reverse the whole thing, as outlined above, if no joy again. I'm doing it because it shows me how bad a player I actually am, and hopefully leads to some improvement - remember I'm untrained, unskilled, and without talent, so I have problems! Born optimist ...

If you want to record audio - take a look at the following article to get an idea of the capabilities (an outline of setup is not here):

https://www.yamahasynth.com/forum/question-about-the-montage-audio-recording-feature#reply-6727

I haven't tried this on my own, but I believe perhaps if you make sure A/D input is routed out your Main L&R then the on-board audio recording feature will record the A/D input (your Tyros output - assuming you have Tyros's outputs connected to the Montage A/D input). I also gathered perhaps if you routed A/D input as an internal-only target and not output to Main L&R - then perhaps this would not get recorded.

Since I did not see a caveat here:

Q: Basically does every sound that goes out the Main L/R get recorded?
A: Certainly anything that the Montage generates and the A/D Input which has its own Montage Part and its own dual Insert Effect.

I'm not sure if A/D is required to be routed to Main L&R or not (my assumption is that it does need to be). A/D input is treated much like a standard part and has output options - the same as PARTs - which can opt-in or out of Main L&R output.