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switching between 4 or more different articulations in real time

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Chopin123
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i know i have these two assignable buttons on the left side of motif xf and i can switch from 1 to 2 as i play, but how do i play violin ,for example,and switch spontaniously between 4 or more articulations in real time ,as i play. just like real violin player does all the time……..in one continuous melody i need to switch from tramolando to sliding finger down the string to pizzicato and so on…….?

 
Posted : 18/12/2014 4:03 pm
Bad Mister
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First you need to make a Voice that contains all of the articulations that you wish to use, then simply record them to the sequencer.
We are not aware of a Voice containing all of the articulations you are referring to, but you can create that Voice and then record it as MIDI data (or as audio) to the XF's sequencer.

Alternative option, call a real violinist and sample them to an audio track of the Motif XF.

If you are not a programmer, you can begin by studying Voices that already have two or three articulations and build from there. The "Solo Violin 1" has several articulations - begin your study there.

 
Posted : 18/12/2014 7:40 pm
Chopin123
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I see cubase has articulation in midi that I can add after recording was made,but when I open it there is no options coming up, so I'd assume that for the instruments recorded from motif I can't use these post recording articulations in cubase?

 
Posted : 18/12/2014 8:07 pm
Bad Mister
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No, you can't. At least, none have been setup to access the XF sounds.

Please check your Cubase Operation Manual. It will explain to you how those work and what library (sounds) you must use.

The Motif XF has its own system of realtime performance articulations - designed to be actually performed by the player as you play the keyboard. Cubase articulations (VST Expression) are strictly after-the-fact and require a specific library that responds to the commands. "Play, then shape"; Play the notes, then add the articulations, after the fact.

On the Motif XF you will have to/want to actually "perform" the articulations (it can be much more satisfying to actually perform them) - The articulations in Cubase (Expression) is all about going back and inserting specific articulations at specific moments in the composition - quite a different thing. And it requires a specific set of sounds (obviously). I believe if you look in HALionOne, there are some instruments provided for this purpose. They will be identified with "VX" (for VST eXpression)

Please rely on your Operation Manual for details on using this feature. It does not address the Motif XF. Although I'm sure you could go through the process and set those up manually (I've never felt the need to do so), but I think the real time aspect of the XF will allow you to perform the articulations as you play - or you can go back and edit as you do with VST EXPRESSIONS. But its up to you!

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Posted : 18/12/2014 9:49 pm
Chopin123
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Thank you, yes I understand I do prefer to do articulation life ,that's why I like motif more then libraries with pc , no comparison there πŸ™‚
1. Is it possible to add 3d articulation to the pedal ? I'd use then 2 assignable buttons on motif plus the pedal in real time? ( I have a yamaha pedal for effects )
2. Bad Mister, is it worth the money to buy one of these Vienna instruments or Hollywood strings librieries ? I see that a lot of movie music producers use them. Is there any advantage of getting them comparing to great sounds that motif already has?
3. Motifator is selling realistic piano libriery specifically for motif , I have motif updated , do I already have these pianos or this is something new and good?

 
Posted : 19/12/2014 12:16 am
Bad Mister
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Sorry, I probably cannot answer any of your questions to your satisfaction, they are too abstract.

1. Is it possible to add 3d articulation to the pedal ? I'd use then 2 assignable buttons on motif plus the pedal in real time? ( I have a yamaha pedal for effects )

What you assign to your Foot Control is a control change number (cc), what that is set to control is up to you. Since you don't specify what the three articulations you are talking about, I cannot really answer if it is practical. Here's what I mean:

Velocity, is a fairly standard control for introducing some articulations _ for example, the example of a "slap" bass, or snare that changes to a rimshot, or a "spicato" bow stroke on a violin or viola... These are ideal for a control like velocity applied via the keyboard, but would be slightly less intuitive placed on a button (in some cases), and downright awkward placed on a Foot pedal. so assigning articulations is almost never perfect but you will find some controllers are more natural than others. Vibrato, is an articulation, that is universally accepted/expected on the MW Wheel, but is also often assigned to AfterTouch or to the Ribbon (where tuning can be varied in realtime using a gesture very similar to applying vibrato on a string). But for good reason you hardly ever see vibrato assigned to a switch or Foot control. Could you? Well, I guess so, sure, why not. You choose whichever is most comfortable/intuitive for you. It will depend on the specific articulation.

Besides, control of specific articulations that involve XA CONTROL parameters are accomplished by assigning a condition under which an a Element will sound and/or not sound. This means as the "programmer" you have to ensure that not only does an Element become active when demanded, but that other Elements are purposefully *not* active at that moment. Much like with a Velocity switch, the normal plucked Attack is only heard up to the point where the slapped articulation takes over. As you start to edit, study and create your programs what Ive just told you will make more sense. It is not just turning ON an articulation, it is as much about defeating a different condition under which other Elements were sounding.

What is handled on the "real" instrument by a gesture can be mimicked by changing which Elements are sounding. Using controllers to manipulate the conditions can be more or less intuitive to "perform" based on the particular instrument and the particular behavior you are attempting to articulate.

2. Bad Mister, is it worth the money to buy one of these Vienna instruments or Hollywood strings librieries ? I see that a lot of movie music producers use them. Is there any advantage of getting them comparing to great sounds that motif already has?

I'm not at all sure how you expect me to answer this question. Firstly, I've never heard this library, I'm sure it's fabulous. You should contact the movie music producers who use them. There are libraries out there that cost more than the entire Motif XF, I don't know what you are doing so I would have no way to make a recommendation to you about what to purchase. Are you doing a full orchestra project, are you just using strings in the background of a pop song? Are you producing for Hollywood or the bar down the street? I'm not making fun, just using humor to point out - the answer could change based on YOUR goal. Please, don't ask me. πŸ™‚

Would you hire the "real" Vienna String Orchestra or the "real" London Symphony Orchestra for your Hollywood movie or just some local string players from your Local musician Union....? It's a question for YOU, not me.

3. Motifator is selling realistic piano libriery specifically for motif , I have motif updated , do I already have these pianos or this is something new and good?

News flash: I don't even know what you own, YOU do. Sorry, if you told me previously what you own, I did not commit it to memory. I neither know what libraries you are talking about nor do I know what libraries you already own. Contact the seller.

Sorry. Questions about how to operate the product, I can help. What you should buy, is up to you.

 
Posted : 19/12/2014 1:06 pm
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