Yes I've watched that before.

Essentially he says it (the rotary simulation) sucks in a nice way or not so much.

He said he didn't like it and also couldn't distinguish the difference between the bass and treble rotors. Also he could not hear the bass rotor rotating and couldn't turn off the unpleasant noise.

Remember the YC is advertised as an organ focused stage board that oddly sucks at simulating an organ rotor properly. It's also pretty expensive so no it's just NOT okay that it sucks.

I'd say that's a big problem not to mention Yamaha has left it this way without addressing it for a really long time. I assume they're hoping most people won't really notice or care enough to mention it. Kind of sad really. If anyone has resources I still think it's Yamaha as they also advertise.

Bottom line is that it does organ as a primary feature. Shouldn't it rock and rule (yes RULE) at that as a minimum standard?

David, I agree with you and the creator of the video, the YC Leslie needs work. I posted that video here only because you said it would be odd to have those problems in the YC if the rotary they already had in the Montage works better, just to point out that the rotary in the Montage is, I believe, also available in the YC, as an additional option.

Yes, that's hilarious that the insert effect rotary is better than the dedicated system rotary. Yamaha essentially embarrasses itself with that one.

They knew it and did it anyway. They are masters of music designing so it's not like we're arguing over an off brand system.

Even more embarrassing is that they left it broken for this long hoping nobody would notice.

If I'd never used an organ before I wouldn't know any difference. It's not being honest with high standards quality gear and with customers.

Again not an off brand but the literal masters of sound.

I listened on my lap top to that video demo of the rotary and it was awful sounding more like a ping pong ball back and forth instead of a rotation round and round again.

What it's supposed to be is pure excitement with swirling and broad stereo separation like the sound is alive and encircling the listener.

Instead the listener is getting pelted in the head (ears) with ping pong balls.

Ho, Ho, Ho Bah Humbug! the Yamaha scrooge or grinch is still here and not fixing the YC nor updating it.

It you own a Yamaha STAGE board this is what you can expect. I give Yamaha a gigantic lump of coal for the holidays and the past several years!

Quit regurgitating ancient AWM2 moldy tones and make something more realistic with power and fix your own mistakes in a timely way.

The year has come and gone and still nothing....I suppose winter NAMM is where they will finally do something which might amount to still nothing.

No winter NAMM this year. Next NAMM is in June. But I don't think Yamaha updates have often been tied to NAMM anyway.

When's the next generation Montage coming out I wonder? It will have to dominate the Fantom which won't be easy to do.

Meanwhile, there's the virtualized version.

https://www.nammfoundation.org/articles/2021-11-18/attend-2022-believe-music

Some had speculated January 20th was the release date of the YC OS significant update. Today is the 21st.

I guess Yamaha isn't interested in customers and this should have been released at Christmas or in the spring at least on the repairs.

Don't hold your breath for any longer. Someone else is in charge of Yamaha these days with other ideas or no ideas, same difference.

So Roland added n/zyme, a whole new synth engine, to the Fantom and released the V3.0 OS update faster than Yamaha could fix and/or update the YC.

Roland is on top of their game while Yamaha is stuck in the mud. Heck, we(some of us) might even have paid a few bucks to have had that YC issue fixed a year ago.

All you need is a Fantom really.

So Roland added n/zyme, a whole new synth engine, to the Fantom and released the V3.0 OS update faster than Yamaha could fix and/or update the YC.

Roland is on top of their game while Yamaha is stuck in the mud. Heck, we(some of us) might even have paid a few bucks to have had that YC issue fixed a year ago.

All you need is a Fantom really.

I do agree with you! Yamaha is disrespecting its customers!

All you need is a Fantom really.

Fantom looks like a really nice board... but a Fantom 61 is $3400, a YC61 is $2000. And for gigging purposes, I couldn't deal with the Fantom's almost 33.75 lbs, whereas the YC61 is 15.6 lbs. Roland's closest equivalent to the YC61 is the VR09, and while the VR-09 is, itself, a very nice board, overall the YC is much stronger, IMO. The Roland does have its nice VA synth capabilities (esp. when you add their iPad editor), but YC beats it pretty much everywhere else... action, splits/layers, effects, MIDI controller functions, user patch recall, metal build with internal power supply...

I keep forgetting the price. I got my Fantom factory renewed for $2,100 with warranty etc. It was essentially new, not sure what happened with it originally.

I just bought the Hydrasynth Deluxe 73 with polytouch (coveted polyphonic after touch) for only $1,500. That's insane for what it does and what you get. I'm hearing it's a quality item but it hasn't arrived yet.

Roland does charge $149 for this new Fantom synth engine although I can't find out how to pay for it on the cloud.

Roland does charge $149 for this new Fantom synth engine although I can't find out how to pay for it on the cloud.

I believe you get the minimum free account and once logged into your account the options to "level up" are available.

They have "Memberships" however this is called a "Lifetime Key". The membership fees have to be paid annually but I assume "Lifetime" means you pay once.

If I have to pay $149 annually to use this synth then I'm not doing that. There's still no place on the Roland Cloud under "libraries" where it told me to go for the "n/zyme" where this can be found.

Everything is listed there but nothing called by this name even in the search field. Somewhere there's an error.

I found it. Oddly the classification headings disappear whenever a sub-class is selected. Then it makes everything else invisible. The primary title or classification should not disappear because that's confusing unless you are on the cloud on a regular basis and know it works that way.